"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[blü 2]

Hey blu nice to meet you. You are correct. It was the Jews who started Christianity.

God bless.

And in the process renounced the Covenant and ceased to be Jewish ─ instead they instigated 2000 years of rapacious and often murderous Christian antisemitism.

I do not think the Mormons keep the seventh day Sabbath of Gods'10 commandments

I may have got that wrong then. I should check it again some time.

 

[blü 2]

Here you judge Jesus by people who claim to follow him. HOW you serve him is fairly clear in scripture - by his doctrine and by his example.

I'd say I was commenting on his (low) efficacy.

So anyone killing another in the name of God clearly violates this law - and there are countless ways 'Do not kill' are stated in the New Testament,

Except that we're not told what 'kill' means. though we can see it doesn't include the army, the state, or God. Is there a defense of self-defense? Of necessity? Of insanity? Of provocation? Of honor killing? Of crime passionel? Of dueling? Who knows?

Especially since God sent [his] own son on a suicide mission, as a human sacrifice to [him]self ─ how twisted, how perverted is that!?

(Oh, and there's

Exodus 21:20 "When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money.​

Charming!)

Here you judge Jesus by people who claim to follow him. HOW you serve him is fairly clear in scripture - by his doctrine and by his example.

As I pointed out, my formulation is MUCH simpler and clearer.

So anyone killing another in the name of God clearly violates this law

Except when they don't ─ see above.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You will need to forgive me dear friend I do not believe you. As shown from the scripture earlier and the context you disregarded Gods' 10 commandments were first spoken by God Himself to His people in Exodus 20:3:17.

Note what the scriptures context says verbatim that are in disagreement with you...

• Exodus 20:1-18 1, And God spoke all these words, saying, 2, I am the LORD your God, which have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3, You shall have no other gods before me. 4, You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5, You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6, And showing mercy to thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. 7, You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that takes his name in vain. 8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9, Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: 11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. 12, Honor your father and your mother: that your days may be long on the land which the LORD your God gives you. 13, You shall not kill. 14, You shall not commit adultery. 15, You shall not steal. 16, You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. 17, You shall not covet your neighbor's house, you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is your neighbor's. 18, And all the people saw the thunder, and the lightning, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. 19, And they said to Moses, Speak you with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

God then wrote the 10 commandments down on two tables of stone as shown in Exodus 32:16 as a written record. In Exodus 32:19 Moses smashed the two tables of stone that God wrote the 10 commandment on because he was angry with the children of Israel for making idols and worshiping them after God already spoke to them and wrote the 10 commandments down on two tables of stone. Exodus 34:1 tells us that God said to Moses to cut out two new tables of stone and God would re-write the 10 commandments on them. The same 10 commandment spoken by God to His people in Exodus 20:3-17 and the same 10 commandments written with Gods' own finger in Exodus 32:16. God says he will re-write them again after Moses broke them in Exodus 34:1. Your ignoring scripture context that show where your errors are.

Hope this is helpful.

That is only because you appear to be rather ignorant of everything but the Bible. Which mans that you have a misplaced irrational belief. We know that Genesis is pure myth. That nothing like the Exodus happened. In fact if you base your timeline on the fictitious generations from the Bible Moses escaped from Egypt and led his people back into Egypt. At the time that the Bible places the Exodus Egypt's Empire stretched north to Syria. Don't trust me, look it up in history books.

In fact you do not have to believe anything that I say. You should be checking out what I sad and see if it is accurate. That will not hurt my feelings one bit. But it is exceedingly foolish to say that you do not trust someone and refuse to see if they are being honest or not. In fact it is arguable less than honest to do so.

Right now you are treating the Bible as fan fiction. Do you realize how blasphemous that is?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Hi Indigo nice to meet you. According to the scriptures, you do not need to go outside of the bible to know what day "the Lords day" is. The Lords day is clearly defined in the bible.

The term "the Lord's day" was used by some in the early Church as a reference to Sunday worship in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. It comes from a scripture in the bible found in Revelation 1

• REVELATION 1:10 10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

The Greek words used for the day that JOHN was in the Spirit of is the for Lord's day are

• REVELATION 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος

The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' as ownership or belonging to ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfillment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23

The problem here however is that there is not a single scripture that references Sunday or the first day of the week (bible names for the days of the week) to being "the Lords day" in scripture.

According to the scripture "the Lords day" however can be referenced to "the Sabbath day" of Gods' 4th commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11.

Letting the scriptures answer this question

• WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

This then promotes a bit of a dilemma for the Church as there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that days "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is Sunday. Yet there is many scriptures referencing "the Lords day" or Gods' specific claims to ownership of any particular day to the Sabbath day that he blessed and set aside as a holy day of rest for a memorial of creation (see Genesis 2:1-3) and made one of Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).

God's "ownership" of the Sabbath day or "Lord's day is also repeated elsewhere as "MY" (ownership of the day as in the Greek used in REVELATION 1:10 κυριακη). Other scriptures in the bible pointing to "the Lords day" as being the Sabbath day...

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY. (the Sabbath day is Lord's day)

• ISAIAH 58:13-14 [13], If you turn away your foot from the SABBATH, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day); and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

• LEVITICUS 19:30 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day)and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

• EZEKIEL 20:12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ used in Revelations 1:10 is in reference to the Lord's ownership of the day. It does not say that this day is in reference to μιά των σαββάτων which means the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.

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Your challenge here in this OP is to prove from the scriptures alone that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week. If you cannot all you have is a teaching and tradition of men that is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that refers to Sunday as being "the Lords day".

Your reply was rather wordy, so I confess I only skimmed it. You went to great trouble to quote Revelation, even pasting it in Greek. The thing is, the verse you quoted does NOT say which day of the week was teh Lord's Day. It does not say, "On the Lord's day, which was Saturday" or anything similar. All we can learn from Revelation is that there was something called the Lord's Day, not what it is.

You have also quoted many verses about the Sabbath. No one is debating that God wanted Israel to keep the Sabbath. However, all of these verses are irrelevant, as none of them state that "The Lord's Day" that Christians keep is the same day as the Sabbath.

I refer you to the quote of Ignatius that I pasted in my earlier post, which quite clearly states that the Lord's Day is NOT the Sabbath.

 

[3rdAngel]

You say Jesus had nothing to say about the Sabbath? Are you sure.....

1. Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath day (the Lords day) - Mark 2:27; Matthew 12:8
2. Jesus taught everyone that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day - Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56
3. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath - (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Peter 2:20-22)

It seems you have may have ignored of not known a lot of scripture that disagrees with you here.

Your response here...

And Jesus came to his own temple, taught in the temple, overthrew the money changers in the temple, was presented to the temple as a child.
Yet... he said God doesn't dwell in the temple, and he destroyed the temple.
Jesus fulfilled the law in coming to the temple, and he did away with temple worship (something the later Catholics did not understand.)

And here we see people coming together on the Sunday after his decease. And Jesus appeared to them.
And the following Sunday the same people again came together, and Jesus appeared. Why were they coming together? Either as a memorial to him or they were told by him.
Now, Acts 2 Day of Pentecost these Christians were gathered together in a home on the Sunday.
From these events Christians observed home memorials on the Sunday - this later became, in Gentile societies, the new Sabbath.

Sorry I am not sure how your post relates to what you are quoting from here. You made a claim earlier that Jesus had nothing to say about the Sabbath? The scriptures provided in the post you are quoting from prove that claim is not true. There is no scripture in all the bible that teaches that Jesus fulfilled the law so that we no longer have to. Disobeying God's law is sin according to the scriptures (see 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and according to James if we break anyone of them. This includes Gods' seventh day Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken.

 

[3rdAngel]

instead they instigated 2000 years of rapacious and often murderous Christian antisemitism.
I may have got that wrong then. I should check it again some time.

Well not the real Christians. God has always had a people that have been true to believing and following His Word over the teachings and traditions of men that have led many away from God and His Word to follow the teachings of men. Jesus warns us about this in Matthew 15:3-9.

 

[3rdAngel]

You will need to forgive me dear friend I do not believe you. As shown from the scripture earlier and the context you disregarded Gods' 10 commandments were first spoken by God Himself to His people in Exodus 20:3:17.

Note what the scriptures context says verbatim that are in disagreement with you...

• Exodus 20:1-18 1, And God spoke all these words, saying, 2, I am the LORD your God, which have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3, You shall have no other gods before me. 4, You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5, You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6, And showing mercy to thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. 7, You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that takes his name in vain. 8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9, Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: 11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. 12, Honor your father and your mother: that your days may be long on the land which the LORD your God gives you. 13, You shall not kill. 14, You shall not commit adultery. 15, You shall not steal. 16, You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. 17, You shall not covet your neighbor's house, you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is your neighbor's. 18, And all the people saw the thunder, and the lightning, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. 19, And they said to Moses, Speak you with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

God then wrote the 10 commandments down on two tables of stone as shown in Exodus 32:16 as a written record. In Exodus 32:19 Moses smashed the two tables of stone that God wrote the 10 commandment on because he was angry with the children of Israel for making idols and worshiping them after God already spoke to them and wrote the 10 commandments down on two tables of stone. Exodus 34:1 tells us that God said to Moses to cut out two new tables of stone and God would re-write the 10 commandments on them. The same 10 commandment spoken by God to His people in Exodus 20:3-17 and the same 10 commandments written with Gods' own finger in Exodus 32:16. God says he will re-write them again after Moses broke them in Exodus 34:1. Your ignoring scripture context that show where your errors are.

Hope this is helpful.

Your response here...

That is only because you appear to be rather ignorant of everything but the Bible. Which mans that you have a misplaced irrational belief. We know that Genesis is pure myth. That nothing like the Exodus happened. In fact if you base your timeline on the fictitious generations from the Bible Moses escaped from Egypt and led his people back into Egypt. At the time that the Bible places the Exodus Egypt's Empire stretched north to Syria. Don't trust me, look it up in history books.

In fact you do not have to believe anything that I say. You should be checking out what I sad and see if it is accurate. That will not hurt my feelings one bit. But it is exceedingly foolish to say that you do not trust someone and refuse to see if they are being honest or not. In fact it is arguable less than honest to do so.

Right now you are treating the Bible as fan fiction. Do you realize how blasphemous that is?

Oh you are too funny.

You say God did not speak the 10 commandment in Exodus 20:1-17 and you were shown that the very first verse you choose to ignore says "and God spoke all these words saying... (10 commandments)". Then after God finished speaking all the 10 commandments, in Exodus 20:19 all the people speak to Moses saying Moses, Speak only you with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

Then you say no God did not speak the 10 commandments and say I do not know the bible? You were joking right?

 

[3rdAngel]

.. the author of Revelation, John, could say, 'I was in the spirit on the Lord's day.' He didn't say the Sabbath but the day of his Lord Jesus - and to John's church that was Sunday. There was still a day of rest, only to the foudation church it was the first day and not the last day.

According to the scriptures I believe John knew Jesus was God and the Lord of the Sabbath and the God of all creation *see John 1:1-4; 14 and that Jesus was Lord and creator of the Sabbath day *Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28. John also being a Jew would be familiar with the torah scriptures of the old covenant that show that it is the Sabbath day that God claims direct ownership over *see Matthew 12:8 and compare Isaiah 58:13; Leviticus 19:30 and Ezekiel 20:12. Now all of the above directly show that the day that "the Lord" claims ownership over is "the Sabbath day" which is the seventh day of the creation week that God blessed and set aside from all the other days of the week as a holy day of rest because he rested from all His works of creation and made this day as a memorial of creation for all mankind (see Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Mark 2:27). Now you show me from the scriptures alone that "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is Sunday? - You cannot because there is no such scripture linking "the Lords day" to Sunday but it is Jesus in His own Words that says "the son of men is Lord of the Sabbath day" - Matthew 12:8 because he is the creator of it and John knew this even though many did not believe Jesus was God at that time.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

Your reply was rather wordy, so I confess I only skimmed it. You went to great trouble to quote Revelation, even pasting it in Greek. The thing is, the verse you quoted does NOT say which day of the week was teh Lord's Day. It does not say, "On the Lord's day, which was Saturday" or anything similar. All we can learn from Revelation is that there was something called the Lord's Day, not what it is.

You have also quoted many verses about the Sabbath. No one is debating that God wanted Israel to keep the Sabbath. However, all of these verses are irrelevant, as none of them state that "The Lord's Day" that Christians keep is the same day as the Sabbath.

I refer you to the quote of Ignatius that I pasted in my earlier post, which quite clearly states that the Lord's Day is NOT the Sabbath.

Take some time and re-read the post you were quoting from because I believe, not only does it show from the scriptures alone that Revelation 1:10 is a reference to the Sabbath day as a day in scripture God claims ownership over, but also that there is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says "the Lords day" is Sunday or God claiming ownership over. Do yourself a favor and read and understand what was posted before responding so there is no misunderstandings and you understand why and what is being shared with you. There is no scripture linking Sunday to "the Lords day" but there are many scriptures showing Gods' ownership of the Sabbath day in both old and new testament scripture.

Take Care.

 

[PruePhillip]

According to the scriptures John knew Jesus was God and the Lord of the Sabbath and the God of all creation *see John 1:1-4; 14 and that Jesus was Lord and creator of the Sabbath day *Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28. John also being a Jew would be familiar with the torah scriptures of the old covenant that show that it is the Sabbath day that God claims direct ownership over *see Matthew 12:8 and compare Isaiah 58:13; Leviticus 19:30 and Ezekiel 20:12. Now all of the above directly show that the day that "the Lord" claims ownership over is "the Sabbath day" which is the seventh day of the creation week that God blessed and set aside from all the other days of the week as a holy day of rest because he rested from all His works of creation and made this day as a memorial of creation for all mankind (see Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Mark 2:27). Now you show me from the scriptures alone that "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is Sunday? - You cannot because there is no such scripture linking "the Lords day" to Sunday but it is Jesus in His own Words that says "the son of men is Lord of the Sabbath day" - Matthew 12:8 because he is the creator of it and John knew this even though many did not believe Jesus was God at that time.

Take Care.

Is this the Seventh Day Adventist take on things?
How do you feel about eating pork and shell fish?
Jesus was Lord to the Disciples. What other day do you think commemorates Jesus more than the day he rose? We aren't given his birthday, or the date of his death, we are given his crucifixion and resurrection days - Friday and Sunday. The ressurection was significant for a whole host of reasons - and Jesus appearing on three Sundays testified to this day. And it's also why we take the bread and wine, in remembrance of him.

 

[PruePhillip]

Your response here...
There is no scripture in all the bible that teaches that Jesus fulfilled the law so that we no longer have to. Disobeying God's law is sin according to the scriptures .

So tell me, do you offer a daily sacrifice? A turtle dove or sparrow maybe, even a spotless lamb? Do you confess your sins upon this hapless creature? That my friend is the law - says so in the law of Moses.

We Christians hold that Jesus fulfilled that law IN HIMSELF.

And the Passover. Do you celebrate it? Ths blood of the lamb daubed on the lintel?
When Jesus "fulfilled" the Passover he at once OBSERVED it, then SUBSTITUTED HIMSELF AS THE NEW PASSOVER.

And the temple. Do you observe the temple? Do you see the priest enter the holiest of holies one day each year on the Day of Atonement?
Jesus is our high priest, and we become the temple of the living God - the veil is torn in two.

And Sunday is the Lord's Day, the day He rose from the grave. In that He rose, we might rise also. So there is that hope.

 

[rational experiences]

O earth rock planet the mass we stand upon as a human.

Constant heavens owning no thesis.

Humans live inside a heavens mass self reactive.

Reactions do not invent a human.

We see the types of reactions.
Humans explain the types of reactions that produce outcomes itself naturally.

We discuss the reactions we see.

We state no time exists as counting was for civilisation.

We live human we die human. Human sex reproduces our life type species.

Our species one species a human.

We use one to mean a species. A huge one of each species is population in nature as two of each exists...we SEE it to explain human observation only.

So in a no time as creation is constantly present we live.

Pretty basic real intelligent human advised.

Then theists a cult evil human group behaviour....we think differently. We want to. We all agree. Wants to take over everyone else ..human family.

And force their evil cult human behaviours on family.

And they did.

Men just baby boys sons then men who said I usurp father grand father great grand father and maybe great great grandfather tribal life.

Both in mutual trade and living hierarchy.

Liars.

Who count day one each year for control of human men only.

Worked for six days as human lords under brother hierarchy a human king.

Suns day a term he infers was when he became changed man mind. They feasted in gluttony at his table. Drinking and honouring a false life.

Whilst slave family still worked never rested.

Hence when church legal founded. They allowed all humans a day of rest in civilisation.

Weren't they just so loving and honourable?

No says documents they still were a rich man hypocrite. Just as they are today. Just humans just men owning a history of evil choices.

So now present presence life's gift is where a sacrificed man body mind is meant to make a real stand against all things wrong he chose himself.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your response here...

Oh you are too funny.

You say God did not speak the 10 commandment in Exodus 20:1-17 and you were shown that the very first verse you choose to ignore says "and God spoke all these words saying... (10 commandments)". Then after God finished speaking all the 10 commandments, in Exodus 20:19 all the people speak to Moses saying Moses, Speak only you with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

Then you say no God did not speak the 10 commandments and say I do not know the bible? You were joking right?

It appears that you quoted out of context. The people did not hear that. The Bible makes it rather clear. They were afraid and stayed away: Let me add some context to that quote:

'18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance 19 and said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die.”"

And God knew that they did not hear him At the end of the chapter he said:

"22 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites this: ‘You have seen for yourselves that I have spoken to you from heaven: 23 Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold."

It appears that God may have spoken, but the Israelites did not hear him.

 

[rational experiences]

It appears that you quoted out of context. The people did not hear that. The Bible makes it rather clear. They were afraid and stayed away: Let me add some context to that quote:

'18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance 19 and said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die.”"

And God knew that they did not hear him At the end of the chapter he said:

"22 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites this: ‘You have seen for yourselves that I have spoken to you from heaven: 23 Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold."

It appears that God may have spoken, but the Israelites did not hear him.

In my vision given to my natural hurt biology life. I never heard separate voice. I felt the advice as it wasn't my own. Only attacked did I then hear voice itself.

I saw man's temple on mountain and it was smoking burning.

As UFO ark was accumulating as mass above cooled transmitters. Men were first using single lined transmitters by temple machine. Vacuum pulled them together unnaturally.

Cloud mass in mountains was used to cool transmitters.

Cause effect stopped cooling of single so it amassed burning then fell.

Temple started burning as evidence.

As men had heard by changed bio brain mind voice first... the theory in speaking they already knew it was going to occur.

Ask technology builders hadn't you heard all the advice first? Including total destruction. Burning of nature bush.

Yes.

It had been saved.

Lied.

As all life on earth was destroyed....how it ended. New life before science now existed naturally.

Saving was just visionary advice first.

How human liars of technology chose to destroy all life below.

Ask the theist did you really know the whole advice first? Yes.

Realist living humans exasperated wondered how a human could be so evilly informed yet think self safe too.

Reasoned...I theoried I was Satan cloud man. As human man of technology put the saved image of self human above. Knew by the visionary story. Wasn't any biological man in a vision.

How consciousness lies to itself.

He wasn't saved however as biology life his own...he got sacrificed too.

What lying means...a theist.

Natural awareness lives only for human survival by choice.

 

[3rdAngel]

It appears that you quoted out of context. The people did not hear that. The Bible makes it rather clear. They were afraid and stayed away: Let me add some context to that quote:

'18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance 19 and said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die.”"

And God knew that they did not hear him At the end of the chapter he said:

"22 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites this: ‘You have seen for yourselves that I have spoken to you from heaven: 23 Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold."

It appears that God may have spoken, but the Israelites did not hear him.

I see. You say God did not speak the 10 commandments in Exodus 20:1-19. I posted you Exodus 20:1 saying God spoke the 10 commandments and Exodus 20:19 where the children of Israel say to Moses "don't let God speak to us lest we die" and you say that is out of context? Amazing

• Exodus 20:1 1, And God spoke all these words, saying,
• Exodus 20:19 19, And they said to Moses, Speak you with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

You do know that God spoke the 10 commandments in between Exodus 20:1 and Exodus 20:19 right? You cannot get more in context. Lets be honest. The scriptures prove you wrong. Just own up to it and move on. Evidence is not you quoting you over the scriptures that are in disagreement with you.

 

[3rdAngel]

You say Jesus had nothing to say about the Sabbath? Are you sure.....

1. Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath day (the Lords day) - Mark 2:27; Matthew 12:8
2. Jesus taught everyone that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day - Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56
3. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath - (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Peter 2:20-22)

It seems you have may have ignored of not known a lot of scripture that disagrees with you here.

Your response here...

And Jesus came to his own temple, taught in the temple, overthrew the money changers in the temple, was presented to the temple as a child.
Yet... he said God doesn't dwell in the temple, and he destroyed the temple.
Jesus fulfilled the law in coming to the temple, and he did away with temple worship (something the later Catholics did not understand.)

And here we see people coming together on the Sunday after his decease. And Jesus appeared to them.
And the following Sunday the same people again came together, and Jesus appeared. Why were they coming together? Either as a memorial to him or they were told by him.
Now, Acts 2 Day of Pentecost these Christians were gathered together in a home on the Sunday.
From these events Christians observed home memorials on the Sunday - this later became, in Gentile societies, the new Sabbath.

My response....

Sorry I am not sure how your post relates to what you are quoting from here. You made a claim earlier that Jesus had nothing to say about the Sabbath? The scriptures provided in the post you are quoting from prove that claim is not true. There is no scripture in all the bible that teaches that Jesus fulfilled the law so that we no longer have to. Disobeying God's law is sin according to the scriptures (see 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and according to James if we break anyone of them. This includes Gods' seventh day Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken.

You responded with...

Is this the Seventh Day Adventist take on things? How do you feel about eating pork and shell fish? Jesus was Lord to the Disciples. What other day do you think commemorates Jesus more than the day he rose? We aren't given his birthday, or the date of his death, we are given his crucifixion and resurrection days - Friday and Sunday. The ressurection was significant for a whole host of reasons - and Jesus appearing on three Sundays testified to this day. And it's also why we take the bread and wine, in remembrance of him.

No it is the bibles take on things. Scripture has already been provided as can be seen in the discussion trail above. They are Gods' Words not mine. I still do not know how what you have posted here has anything to do with what I have posted above in the posts you are responding to.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see. You say God did not speak the 10 commandments in Exodus 20:1-19. I posted you Exodus 20:1 saying God spoke the 10 commandments and Exodus 20:19 where the children of Israel say to Moses "don't let God speak to us lest we die" and you say that is out of context? Amazing

• Exodus 20:1 1, And God spoke all these words, saying,
• Exodus 20:19 19, And they said to Moses, Speak you with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

You do know that God spoke the 10 commandments in between Exodus 20:1 and Exodus 20:19 right? You cannot get more in context. Lets be honest. The scriptures prove you wrong. Just own up to it and move on. Evidence is not you quoting you over the scriptures that are in disagreement with you.

Still ignoring the fact that they did not hear God.

Of course, you do realize that this whole tale is myth, don't you?

 

[blü 2]

Well not the real Christians.

Were the gospel authors real Christians? They provide some quotable quotes that have fired up antisemitism throughout the ages.

Matthew 27:24So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, "I am innocent of this man's blood; see to it yourselves."25 And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!"
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I think the chances of that being historical are extremely small, and it's not in any other gospel, but there it is.

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. ... 47 He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God."
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Both of those ─ and more ─ have given, and give, aid and comfort to antisemitists through the centuries. And just look at the Christian record for extortion, theft and murder against Jewish citizens.

 

[Brian2]

Now you are making the error of assuming that the Pentecost occurred.

Also the concept of Jesus being a sacrifice is one of the failures of Christianity. It is not a feature.

I know it is popular to read the gospels and Acts, our main sources of information about Jesus and the early Church, and to assume they are a pack of lies and then to make up your own version of Jesus and what happened in the early Church, but I'm just a boring conservative and stick to what the Bible tells us about Jesus and the early Church.
I also go along with what Jesus said about His death, that He was giving His body and blood for our sins.

 

[Brian2]

No, they give contradicting information.

There are things which look like they contradict but do not and there are other things that probably do contradict. Most of it can be harmonised.