"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[YoursTrue]

Sorry, but here you are shown to be wrong by the countless different sects of Christianity that have varying interpretations of different parts of the Bible. I am not saying that any particular one is right or wrong. But depending upon how one argues or interprets the Bible one can get very different results.

It is one of the reasons that one of the first questions that I asked, and never got an answer for, was whether the OP was playing silly fanfiction games or not. It appears that he was but he has yet to clarify that 100%.

1. I have not followed everything in the OP's post. Because it is complicated and I tend to take one subject at a time.
2. It is God who makes the decision as to what He considers right or wrong and can guide us. Remember Pharaoh rejected God's indications. (Also please be aware that Egyptian history is sketchy at the best, and histories may not have recorded defeats of the ruling powers.) Considering that there is no hell(fire), I am convinced that Pharaoh of that account is not being tortured but -- is dead. Will he be resurrected? I don't know. Now back to day maybe?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You presume, however, that because some people calling themselves and are called by others Christians disagree with each other that means the Bible is not to be taken as God's word, am I correct in this about you?

That would be evidence for that claim. By the way, where does the Bible claim that it is "God's word"?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The OP brought up some very interesting points as far as I am concerned, because I am concerned with the Bible, and understanding it. I don't want to run afield now of the subject, so I usually take one thing at a time, and right now I'm settling on what the Lord's day in Revelation 1 can indicate. And/or what the word 'day' can mean.

Why assume that the same phrase always means the same thing? I am not familiar with the passage that you are referring to, but it might have a different meaning in this particular case. I would not say that it always has to mean the same thing. But others might.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As far as me being not well educated in the sciences, I go by sometimes what I read insofar as difference of opinion among scientists. slight smile here. That includes journals by and about science.
I do not agree humans are apes, no matter what scientists say. This is for several reasons. Plus things have been ascertained to be lost, according to scientists, such as -- the Unknown Common Ancestor of humans in the ape lineage. There are other indications that tell me, yes--a non-scientist, that we are not apes or animals. Yes, I learned that in school that humans are classified as animals, and -- at the time I believed it. I no longer do because the Bible says after God made the animals, fish, crawling things, birds, he lastly made man. Scientists may classify mankind as animals, I do not use that categorical description. You may, scientists may, I do not.

There are times that one is demonstrably wrong with their beliefs. There are ways to test them. Like it or not if you go back far enough you share an ancestor with chimpanzees. If you go further back in time you will find that you share a common ancestor with gorillas. The same applies to orangutans and eventually all of life. But this fact does not refute Christianity. It only refutes parts of the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

1. I have not followed everything in the OP's post. Because it is complicated and I tend to take one subject at a time.
2. It is God who makes the decision as to what He considers right or wrong and can guide us. Remember Pharaoh rejected God's indications. (Also please be aware that Egyptian history is sketchy at the best, and histories may not have recorded defeats of the ruling powers.) Considering that there is no hell(fire), I am convinced that Pharaoh of that account is not being tortured but -- is dead. Will he be resurrected? I don't know. Now back to day maybe?

If you are going to claim that Egyptian history is sketchy at best then you have to throw out the whole Old Testament by that standard. Don't make the error of treating the Bible as a false idol.

 

[3rdAngel]

Uh oh…. That’s exactly what I said about you!!!!

Then prove what you say and stop projecting parroting what other say. You will become more believable.

 

[3rdAngel]

Just to start -- the "Lord's day" at Revelation is speaking of a period of time belonging to the Lord, or Jesus Christ, certainly not a 24-hour day. I'll start there. Why would anyone think that Jesus Christ has one day a week anyway? More, perhaps, later.

Thanks sis. Why do you not think it is a literal day when the scripture says "I was in the Spirit on the Lords day"? - Revelation 1:10. The Greek word used here means day or part of the day or full 24 hour period.

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G2250
ἡμέρα (hēméra | hay-mer'-ah)
Derivation: feminine (with G5610 implied) of a derivative of ἧμαι (to sit; akin to the base of G1476) meaning tame, i.e. gentle;
Strong's: day, i.e. (literally) the time space between dawn and dark, or the whole 24 hours (but several days were usually reckoned by the Jews as inclusive of the parts of both extremes); figuratively, a period (always defined more or less clearly by the context)
KJV: —age, + alway, (mid-)day (by day, (-ly)), + for ever, judgment, (day) time, while, years.

God bless.

 

[3rdAngel]

Corrections are not attacks. I was trying to explain to you why some Christians believe what they believe and how they defend it. That is a flaw with the religion.

You have never made a correction have you. Only personal attacks that your unable to prove while running away and projecting.

 

[3rdAngel]

Sorry, but that is a false claim. By the way, where did you answer the question about: 1Peter 3 15?

Lets talk more dear friend when your willing to tell the truth and enter into a discussion. So far you have failed at both.

 

[3rdAngel]

You appear to lack the ability to reason rationally.

Na that is just you looking at your self in a mirror. I have just been trying to help you.

The fact that I refuse to play your silly game is not evidence for your claims. When you refuse to debate properly you lose the right to demand answers.

Once again that is you projecting.

I suggested a reasonable solution.

Na that was me offering the reasonable solution you simply ignored it.

You were participating until you realized that you would have to debate properly.

Sorry not interested in playing your games of not telling the truth and projection. You can play that one by yourself.

So you ran away again. Do you want evidence? You cannot post a complete set of rules that we agreed to. By the way one of the rules was that claims have to be correctly supported. You need links, quotes, and reasons. You only give links and unsupported claims. That is not evidence. And where is your answer to 1 Peter 3 15?

More lies and projection? Sorry not interested. You have become boring now. Lets talk more when you can prove your false claims and accusations and have something to contribute to the OP.

 

[3rdAngel]

You write too much and expect answers to every part of what you write with a question at the end of it. Flooding ….!!!

I see so there is a flood of scripture that disagree with your teachings. Does this not worry you? It should.

Let me say this, though: THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE that says that the Jewish Sabbath has been abolished… YET IT HAS BEEN except as CORPORATE WORSHIP.

I see so your agreeing with me you have no scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished as we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus? Well at least your starting to be honest now which is a good start. So tell me are you not worried when Jesus says if we follow man-made teachings and traditions like Sunday worship that leads many to break Gods' 4th commandment that they are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9? You should be if breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments is sin (see James 2:10-11) and practicing known unrepentant sin after God gives us a knowledge of the truth brings us into the danger of the judgement to come (see Hebrews 10:26-31).

As far as I know (and say what you will) the only people / group who worship the God of the Jews on the Jewish Sabbath in Christianity are SEVENTH DAY CHURCHES. And they constrain themselves just as the Jews do BY THEIR OVERSTRICT ADHERENCE and certainly are hypocritical about it many a time just as in the days of Jesus.

Nope. Jesus and all the Apostles kept the Sabbath which was their custom (see Luke 4:16; Acts 17:2) and Gods' people continued keeping the Sabbath well after the death of the Apostles. There is not such thing as "a Jewish Sabbath" there was no Jew when God made the Sabbath for all mankind according to the scriptures (see Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27).

But what is said in Matthew 15:3-9 that you underlined is about the OVERSTRICKNESS that the Jews applied to the laws such that it became a millstone around their necks. This led them to the need to be HYPOCRITES in order to live any kind of realistic daily life.

No that is not true at all. Matthew 15:3-9 was about Gods' people making man-made teachings and traditions that led many away from Gods' Word to break the commandments of God with Jesus telling these people they were not worshiping God in doing this. Like those today who follow follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. Jesus says we are not worshiping God if we do this....

• MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3], But he answered and said to them, WHY DO YOU ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY YOUR TRADITION? [4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. [5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; [6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. THUS HAVE YOU MADE THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD OF NONE EFFECT BY YOUR TRADITION. [7], YOU HYPOCRITES, WELL DID ESAIAS PROPHESY OF YOU, SAYING, [8], THIS PEOPLE DRAWS NEAR TO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH, AND HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. [9], BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.

The scriptures disagree with you here.

I do not see you agreeing with the truth of this claim - which tells a tale in itself: Your response is a typical ‘So that’s a no, then!’ which actually says nothing about the answer I gave you but does show that you cannot agree with a truth.

Sorry your post here absolutely makes no sense at all. What are you even talking about here?

Again, even when I showed you that SABBATH is THE DAY YOU DECIDE as being YOUR SABBATH… it passes over your head - or just goes right through you - or bounces off you -

Once again prove your claims show me the scripture that says you can make any day your Sabbath. - There is none. According to the scriptures "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God" - Exodus 20:10. You do err not knowing the scriptures.

Let me ask you this: ‘What was the purpose of the sabbath day?’ Your answer must be: ‘The day God set aside that a person should rest, worship God, and do good’.

According to the scriptures God made the Sabbath for ALL MANKIND (Mark 2:27), There were no Jews when God made the Sabbath for ALL mankind. There was only Adam and Eve that God created on the 6th day of the creation week according to Genesis 1:26-31. After God finished His work of creation in 6 days of the week he rested on the "seventh day" of the week and blessed the "seventh day" of the week for all mankind as a memorial of creation (see Exodus 20:8-11). God set aside the "seventh day of the week aside from all the other day of the week for a holy day of rest as a memorial and celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth. God made it one of His 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); sin (moral wrong doing when disobeyed) and righteousness (moral right doing when obeyed) see Exodus 20:8-11; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172. Jesus taught it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath day in Matthew 12:1-12.

As a single nation the Jews were all called to have their sabbath on the same day.

There was no Jew when God made the Sabbath for all mankind (see Genesis 2:1-3).

But GENTILES were not called to do so….

Gentiles are not Gods' people so do not believe and follow Gods' Word.

Isn’t this the same argument between Peter and Paul about CIRCUMCISION? Yet Gentiles were never - and are never - called to be circumcised…

No Circumcision is not the same argument. Circumcision was a shadow law pointing to a new heart by faith for all those who walk in God's Spirit in the new covenant promise (see Acts 15:1-2). It has nothing to do with not keeping Gods' 10 commandments. This is why Paul says in 1 Corinthians 7:9 to the Corinthian gentile believers, "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

So, are Gentiles called to worship on Friday-Saturday?

As posted earlier, according to Jesus the Sabbath was made for all mankind in Mark 2:27 and there was no Jews when God made the Sabbath for all mankind in Genesis 2:1-3. All of Gods' people are called to obey all the commandments of God including Gods' 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20: Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4).

And what of those, Jews or Gentiles, who are designated to “BREAK THE SABBATH” by working on the Jewish sabbath because they are Emergency Workers? Or should EVERYONE not work on the Jewish Sabbath - and we make a mockery of Jesus!

Once again there is no such thing as a "Jewish Sabbath". There was no Jew when God made the Sabbath for all mankind (Genesis 2:1-3). Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day (see Matthew 12:1-12).

Jesus told the Samaritan woman that corporate worship was no longer to be on the mountain (as Samaritans wrongly did!) NOR in Jerusalem (as Jews rightly did!) … So where were they to worship now? Worship is now to be : ‘In Spirit and Truth’ 3rdAngel, What does that mean to you??

According to the scripture worshiping God in Spirit and in truth means to worship God according to what Gods' Word says (see John 17:17 and John 6:63). According to Jesus if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. Now tell me how can you claim to worship God in Spirit and in truth when you do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says? You cannot.

 

[3rdAngel]

LOL!! This is hilariously ironic.

How can anyone have a serious discussion with someone who :--
1. Is unable to provide one shred of evidence for accusative statements he has made?
2. Pretends he is not answering honestly because the person he has accused falsely is not debating honestly!
3. Runs away because he is afraid to admit that he has no evidence.

Someone like this would not recognize an honest debate if he came across one.

Excellent post sis. You nailed it.

 

[3rdAngel]

Please note, that respect has never been observed by a couple of posters here. Also they do not appear to be able to defend their beliefs. A defense includes an explanation and that has been sadly lacking when it comes to @3rdAngel . Lecturing and preaching is not explaining. It is also why I refuse to explain why we know that parts of the Bible are not literally true. Such as the various Genesis myths. It does not good to lecture or preach to the air. I need an active discussion. But some are afraid to engage in one.

Love it. All your projecting, not telling the truth, and running away, simply amaze me and makes me smile. More popcorn please

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have never made a correction have you. Only personal attacks that your unable to prove while running away and projecting.

No, once again, that would be you. Too bad that you were the one to run away on our setting of rules.

And there have been two questions that I have asked repeatedly, you know, the ones that you ran away from, are you ready to answer them yet?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Na that is just you looking at your self in a mirror. I have just been trying to help you.

No, this is just another false claim of yours that you cannot support.

In fact the whole post appears to be such. What a bore.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Love it. All your projecting, not telling the truth, and running away, simply amaze me and make me smile. More popcorn please

Oh my it looks like I have to remind you again that I answered your questions. When you quote arguments that you lost you only are acknowledging that you lost them again. Perhaps some day you will learn how to debate. But since you falsely claimed that I have been running away once more I need to ask you why don't you obey 1 Peter 3 15?

 

[Subduction Zone]

There was no Jew when God made the Sabbath for all mankind (see Genesis 2:1-3).

Do you remember when the other question that I asked you many times and that you ran away from?

I asked you if you were playing silly fanfiction games. This indicates that you are. The YEC beliefs of Christians were refuted long before Darwin came along. Why are you trying to make your argument as petty of Spiderman fans arguing about which super villain was the most powerful?

 

[3rdAngel]

No, once again, that would be you. Too bad that you were the one to run away on our setting of rules. And there have been two questions that I have asked repeatedly, you know, the ones that you ran away from, are you ready to answer them yet?

If you could prove what you say you would be more believable. Not being truthful is not a good look for you. You should be embarrassed. You lose again.

 

[3rdAngel]

No, this is just another false claim of yours that you cannot support. In fact the whole post appears to be such. What a bore.

Your projecting again. Unlike you I have already posted evidence proving you do not address the post content and the scriptures in them that are in disagreement with you and show why you are in error while in response you simply deflect with false claims and accusations that when challenged you are unable to prove as proven in post # 602 linked and post # 642 linked. Now what what evidence do you have to prove your false claims and accusations? - Nothing. You lose. Pass the popcorn please

 

[3rdAngel]

Oh my it looks like I have to remind you again that I answered your questions. When you quote arguments that you lost you only are acknowledging that you lost them again. Perhaps some day you will learn how to debate. But since you falsely claimed that I have been running away once more I need to ask you why don't you obey 1 Peter 3 15?

Oh my more false claims and accusations? Prove them please post me a link? If you cannot what do you have but more false claims and accusations you are not able to prove while running away from a Discussion. You lose again. Pass the popcorn please