WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

[2ndpillar]

I'm happy you've found your home in Old Testament laws. Truly. You no longer need to call yourself a Christian anymore. You have Moses. And that's fine. You can convert to Judaism if that is preferable and makes more sense to you, which it surely seems it does to you. Or maybe that's is your religion, and I was wrongly assuming you identified as a Christian?

I am not a member of the Gentile church of the false prophet Paul and the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:16-17), Peter. That church, "adulteress", bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, was bought for "many days", and will be given the opportunity to return to her former "Gentile" husband, the "prince" of Greece (Hosea 3 & Daniel 10:20). As for the Law and the prophets, not a dot will "pass away" until "heaven and earth pass away" (Matthew 5:17-18). The "day of rest", the Sabbath has yet to be fulfilled with respect to the coming of the millennium. In not heeding the Sabbath, the day of the LORD will come upon one without any preparation on their part. (Matthew 24:42-43).

 

[pearl]

If that is true you would be able to provide scripture showing that Sunday is the Lords day.

I did, post245.

 

[2ndpillar]

Do you agree that Jesus is the mediator of mankind and His cross is redemptive in its fulfillment? That His blood washes away all sin and whosever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life?

He that "believes in Him", as in "heeds" his message (Matthew 7:24-26) will not be washed away, such as not go down the wide path of "destruction" by following the "false prophets" (Matthew 7:13-15) will live though they may die. You seem to cut and paste to fit your preconceived false gospel of grace/cross/lawlessness. The washing happens after Judah and Ephraim are reunited on the land given to Jacob, along with them given a new heart and spirit (Ezekiel 36:24-30 & 37:21-28), with David made king over them, and they will walk in God's ordinances. Now if you survive the coming "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), the day of "distress", as a Gentile, of the "nations", you will confess that you have followed the lies of your fathers (Jeremiah 16:19).

NASB John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; the one who believes in Me will live, even if he dies,

 

[2ndpillar]

In the Epistle to the Christians at Corinth; in which Paul invites Christians to make a collection for the poor brethren of the faith in Jerusalem; this collection should take place "on the first day of the week" (1 Cor 16:2). They were meeting on the first day of the week, namely on Sunday. And again, on his third missionary journey, St Paul came to Troas and remained there for a week, as the Acts report. Then the departure is mentioned, and is introduced by the following phrase; "And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread" (Acts20:7.)
So, already in the fifties, at least in the Pauline communities, Sunday was observed if not as the only day, at least as the principal day, on which the breaking of bread, that is the Christian worship, took place.
From the Didache; "Meet on the Lord's day, break the bread and celebrate the Eucharis

I image that Paul broke bread every day. As for him keeping the high holy Sabbath of the "feast of unleavened bread", with respect to Passover, which happened on the 15 the of Nissan, which happened on differing days, well, his communications kind of does not support that. The feast of Astarte/Easter, the Gentile church's "day of the LORD", was not established until the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. And that only happens once a year.

 

[Kenny]

NASB John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; the one who believes in Me will live, even if he dies,

Love it!!

Happy to see that we agree on important issues.

 

[Windwalker]

Your support of the false prophet Paul does not make you a false prophet. It simply leads you down the wide path to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13-15). I am simply saying that you stating your own "observation" does not make it true.

I am not stating my own observation. I am stating my personal experiences. Let's talk about those with you, as I had hoped for you to be honest about with me previously, as I have been with you.

But let's bring this back to the 3 questions I have directly asked you to respond to which you have ignored for some reason. Restating my questions I expect an answer to from you as it has a direct bearing on this discussion:

Question 1: Is God's love conditional upon your obeying the law?

Question 2: Do you only love your children if they do what you say? Or, if you don't have children, did your own parents only love you when you were good and did what they say? Did you need to earn their love from them towards you? Be honest.

Question 3: Do you believe God will send you to hell if you go to church on Sunday, instead of Saturday?

Adding Question 4: Do you believe only those who believe like you do and practice religion the way you do will be accepted by God?

Please answers these questions directly.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ If that is true you would be able to provide scripture showing that Sunday is the Lords day.

Your response...

I did, post245.

Your post # 225 here...

pearl said: ↑ In the Epistle to the Christians at Corinth; in which Paul invites Christians to make a collection for the poor brethren of the faith in Jerusalem; this collection should take place "on the first day of the week" (1 Cor 16:2). They were meeting on the first day of the week, namely on Sunday. And again, on his third missionary journey, St Paul came to Troas and remained there for a week, as the Acts report. Then the departure is mentioned, and is introduced by the following phrase; "And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread" (Acts20:7.) So, already in the fifties, at least in the Pauline communities, Sunday was observed if not as the only day, at least as the principal day, on which the breaking of bread, that is the Christian worship, took place. From the Didache; "Meet on the Lord's day, break the bread and celebrate the Eucharist."

So where in that post is the scripture showing that Sunday is the Lords day? You did not provide any. That post was already responded to in post # 258 linked which showed from the scriptures that Gods people met everyday of the week which included Sunday (the first day of the week) *Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47. That does not make every day a holy day of rest now does it? Neither does it tell has that Gods 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. You did not provide any scripture proving that Sunday is the Lord's day.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

If that makes you happy. I thought it was the other way around. But regardless, let's preach the gospel of the Cross.

You are preaching another Gospel if you believe that Word teaches Gods 10 commandments are abolished (see 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 5:17). Gods Word does not teach a gospel of lawlessness and we can be saved while continuing in known unrepentant sin (see 1 John 2:3-4 and Hebrews 10:26-31). The test to know if we know God or do not know God is if we keep the commandments of God (1 John 2:3-4). According to the scriptures the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil is obedience to Gods law (1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 14:12). This is the fruit of genuine faith (see Romans 3:31; James 3:13-26). Obedience to Gods law is not how we are saved, it is the fruit of genuine faith (see Romans 3:31; James 2:13-26 that works by love in the life of someone that believes and follows what Gods Word says because they are saved by Gods grace through faith and have received Gods gift of forgiveness of sins (see Ephesians 2:8-9).

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

@3rdAngelWell... apparently I'm not the only one who is have the same issue. "Let everything be established by a witness of two".

According to Jesus, the majority or the many that are called will be lost (see Matthew 7:13-14; Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 22:14; Romans 9:27) and the remnant or few who will be saved and Gods chosen, are described as keeping and obeying the commandments of God *Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14. So appealing to someone that agrees with you is not supportive of what is true and what is not true. It just means that someone believes in the lies you have been taught at Sunday school. Only Gods Word is true however and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. *see Romans 3:4 and John 17:17. Both you and @Brian2 believe you can be saved in continuing in known unrepentant sin. In this you are in agreement. It is a teaching of lawlessness and a doctrine of devils. The bible does not teach this. (see Hebrews 10:26-31 compare this to 1 John 2:3-4). Two witnesses disagreeing with Gods Word are not witnessing for the truth but against it (see Romans 3:4) "Let God be true and every man a liar as it is written, that you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged."

Take Care.

 

[Kenny]

According to Jesus, the majority or the many that are called will be lost (see Matthew 7:13-14; Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 22:14; Romans 9:27) and the remnant or few who will be saved and Gods chosen, are described as keeping and obeying the commandments of God *Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14. So appealing to someone that agrees with you is not supportive of what is true and what is not true. It just means that someone believes in the lies you have been taught at Sunday school. Only Gods Word is true however and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. *see Romans 3:4 and John 17:17. Both you and @Brian2 believe you can be saved in continuing in known unrepentant sin. In this you are in agreement. It is a teaching of lawlessness and a doctrine of devils. The bible does not teach this. (see Hebrews 10:26-31 compare this to 1 John 2:3-4). Two witnesses disagreeing with Gods Word are not witnessing for the truth but against it (see Romans 3:4) "Let God be true and every man a liar as it is written, that you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged."

Take Care.

I agree with all the scriptures.... but it had nothing to do with what I said..

 

[3rdAngel]

I agree with all the scriptures.... but it had nothing to do with what I said..

Agreeing with all the scriptures and not doing what they say is the same is not agreeing with them according to Matthew 7:21-23 and 1 John 2:3-4.

 

[nPeace]

So, what do you think? is killing a kid with my gun as bad as helping my husband with some work over the weekend? if not, why not?

Ciao

- viole

Helping Your husband with some work any day sounds good to me.
You aren't a godly person, so I don't expect you would take time out for worship.
Taking a gun and recklessly killing anyone can never be good.

 

[nPeace]

Look Brian lets be honest. You have not addressed a single thing shared with you or answered a single questions asked of you or addressed any of the scriptures that are in disagreement with you from post # 176 and post # 176 linked. All you have done is to repeat what was already addressed in your posts in the linked posts provided without addressing any of the scriptures, questions asked of you or content of the posts you are responding to. In the linked posts provided here you where shown the context that you disregard from your interpretation of Acts 15 while being shown why your interpretation of Acts 15 is in disagreement with the whole bible.

In this post we will address your last to repetitious posts that have already been addressed from the scriptures in the linked posts provided here and show why your interpretation of Acts 15 is in disagreement with the whole bible. As presented in your posts you believe that Acts 15 teaches that Gods 10 commandments are abolished for gentile believers. Not only will I prove from the scriptures that this assertion is not biblical but I will also seek to show why this understanding of the scriptures is the doctrine of devils and everything that is Antichrist. I mean seriously Brian, think about what you are claiming here. By claiming that Gods 10 commandments are abolished for gentile believers and seeking to explain away the scriptures that are in disagreement with you, your actually claiming that it is now alright for Christians to..

• 1. Have other Gods and it will not effect your relationship with the true God
• 2. You can now make idols and bow down and worship them
• 3. Christians can now take Gods name in vain.
• 4. Christians can now disobey God and break His Sabbath day
• 5. Christians can now dishonor their parents
• 6. Christians can now commit adultery
• 7. Christians can now kill each other
  
• 8. Christians can now steal
• 9. Christians can now lie
• 10. Christians can now covet their neighbors belongings.

That is not what you believe is it Brian?

more to come
@Brian2

The law of the Christ, which is the law of love, and freedom, does not work evil to one's neighbor. Nor does it allow for disobeying God and Christ.
Jesus said, if you love me, you will keep my commandments.

 

[nPeace]

Then we have Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) that says...

• Exodus 20:8-11 [8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day) [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

The commandment does not say take off one day in seven. According to the scriptures no one sees God if they continue in known unrepentant sin and unbelief. They are in danger of the judgement to come (see Hebrews 10:26-31). There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says Gods 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings given by Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9 (check out all the scriptures here; and go look them up). Its time to unlearn the lies we have all be taught at Sunday school.

• Jeremiah 17:5 5, Thus said the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart departs from the LORD.

Take Care.

Why did God command the Sabbath day be kept, 3rdAngel, and why do you keep it, and believe Christians should do the same?

 

[3rdAngel]

The law of the Christ, which is the law of love, and freedom, does not work evil to one's neighbor. Nor does it allow for disobeying God and Christ.
Jesus said, if you love me, you will keep my commandments.

According to the scriptures love is not separated from Gods law. Love is expressed by obeying God's law from a new heart that has been born again into Gods new covenant promise to walk in Gods Spirit through faith in Gods Word (see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-36 and Ezekiel 36:24-27; John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:4-9; Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4; Romans 3:31).

Love is not separate from Gods' law it is expressed in obedience to God's law from the heart. This is what Jesus, Paul, James and John all teach in the scriptures provided earlier. We do not love God or our fellow man by breaking God's law as that is sin according to the scriptures and not love (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11).

When we LOVE GOD and our NEIGHBOR it is expressed through our actions.

For example if we LOVE our neighbour...

• Will we honor our parents?
• Will we not murder?
• Will we not commit adultery with our neighbor's spouse?
• Will we not steal from them?
• Will we not lie to them?
• Will we not covet what they own?

If we LOVE our God...

• Will we not have other Gods?
• Will we not make idols and worship them?
• Will we not take his name [follow] him in vain?
• Will we remember his seventh day Sabbath and keep it holy?

Now if your answer is yes then you agree with me. If your answer is no what kind of love are you talking about? Jesus, Paul, James and John all agree that love is not separate from God's law it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law and breaking God's law shows we do not love God or our fellow man and stand guilty before God of sin *1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11.....

• MATTHEW 22:36-40 [36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law? [37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. [38], This is the first and great commandment. [39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. [40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Jesus here by the way is quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.

• ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

and again;

• JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit NO ADULTERY, yet if thou KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

Love is expressed in obedience to God's law not breaking Gods law according to Jesus, Paul and James. Paul goes on to say that we are saved by faith but faith does not abolish Gods' law it establishes Gods' law in all those who truly believe Gods' Word (see Romans 3:31).

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

Helping Your husband with some work any day sounds good to me. You aren't a godly person, so I don't expect you would take time out for worship.
Taking a gun and recklessly killing anyone can never be good.

According to the scriptures, sin is breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods Word says (see 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7. James 2:10-11 and Romans 15:23). According to the scriptures all those who continue in known unrepentant sin will be in danger of the judgement to come according to Hebrews 10:26-31. According to the scriptures, Gods 4th commandment *Exodus 20:8-11 is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

Take Care.

 

[Windwalker]

According to the scriptures love is not separated from Gods law.

Of course. If you have genuine love in your heart, you will not sin. End of story. It's really that simple.

Love is expressed by obeying God's law from a new heart that has been born again into Gods new covenant promise to walk in Gods Spirit through faith in Gods Word

Not exactly. If you have a new heart, you will not sin. It's not expressed by you showing up to church on what you think is the right day of the week that you religious beliefs tell you God expects of you, and then calling that an act of love. Love is not judging others who don't believe like you do, for instance. That is the weightier matter of the law.

 

[3rdAngel]

Why did God command the Sabbath day be kept, 3rdAngel, and why do you keep it, and believe Christians should do the same?

Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath is a memorial of creation and a celebration of God who is the creator of heaven and earth. It is the "seventh day" of the week.

• EXODUS 20:10 [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God;

This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK which is a direct reference back to the creation week from when it was made as shown in v11.

• EXODUS 20:11 [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and MADE IT HOLY.

NOTE: It is the SEVENTH DAY (SABBATH) that God RESTED so the SABBATH defined as the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK is GOD'S REST. NOTE EXODUS 20:11 is a direct reference back to GENESIS 2:1-3 which is a direct reference back to GENESIS 2:3 descibing the reason for GOD's 4th Commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is that GOD BLESSED THE SABBATH (defined as the SEVENTH DAY in v10) and made it a HOLY DAY.

• GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and HE RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; KEEP SABBATH] on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY: BECAUSE THAT IN IT HE HAD RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] from all his work which God created and made.

NOTE: The reason for the Sabbath Commandment is to REMEMBER the God of creation. HE RESTED IS GOD'S REST (verb) which God's WORD says is the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK WHICH IS CALLED SABBATH (noun), BLESSED the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK and made it a HOLY DAY that no work is to be done. v11 Refers back to Genesis 2:1-3 and the origin of the Sabbath which is the SEVENTH DAY. v8 shows that this commandment is a MEMORIAL of creation v11 [the reason for the 4th commandment]. It is very clear as we look through the scriptures and let the scriptures interpret themselves that GOD MADE THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH FOR MANKIND. It is also one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN when broken.

• MARK 2:27-28 [27], And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath:[28], so that the Son of man is LORD OF THE SABBATH (creator).

The GREEK word highlighted here for MAN in MARK 2:27 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos (G444) which means HUMAN BEING or mankind.

CONCLUSION: The SABBATH as defined in God's Word as *EXODUS 20:10 is the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK because God BLESSED the SEVENTH DAY and made it a HOLY DAY in EXODUS 20:11 repeating GENESIS 2:1-3. The Hebrew word for REST 7673 שָׁבַת shâbath, is the verb used for KEEPING THE SABBATH by RESTING. The person doing the RESTING was GOD the creator of heaven and earth. God's WORD also defines GOD'S REST therefore as the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH that God created for all mankind.

While the Hebrew word for SABBATH 7676 שַׁבָּת shabbâth, is the noun or the name of what is being kept which is the SEVENTH DAY that God RESTED on and BLESSED and made HOLY. The reason the SABBATH was made was for mankind to REST, CELEBRATE and REMEMBER GOD'S CREATION *EXODUS 20:8 and the GOD as the CREATOR and LORD of the SABBATH *MARK 2:27-28.

Take Care.

 

[2ndpillar]

I am not stating my own observation. I am stating my personal experiences. Let's talk about those with you, as I had hoped for you to be honest about with me previously, as I have been with you.

But let's bring this back to the 3 questions I have directly asked you to respond to which you have ignored for some reason. Restating my questions I expect an answer to from you as it has a direct bearing on this discussion:

Question 1: Is God's love conditional upon your obeying the law?

Question 2: Do you only love your children if they do what you say? Or, if you don't have children, did your own parents only love you when you were good and did what they say? Did you need to earn their love from them towards you? Be honest.

Question 3: Do you believe God will send you to hell if you go to church on Sunday, instead of Saturday?

Adding Question 4: Do you believe only those who believe like you do and practice religion the way you do will be accepted by God?

Please answers these questions directly.

To enter into life, one must keep the Commandments (Matthew 19:17). Do you not believe Yeshua?
Keeping the commandments of the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine (Revelation 13:11), and his relegated day of the sun leaves one with a "mark of the beast", which leads to having to drink from the cup of God's anger (Revelation 14:10). Without works, faith is a bit of a nonstarter (James 2:20).

 

[3rdAngel]

Of course. If you have genuine love in your heart, you will not sin. End of story. It's really that simple.

Agreed

3rdAngel said: ↑ Love is expressed by obeying God's law from a new heart that has been born again into Gods new covenant promise to walk in Gods Spirit through faith in Gods Word

Your response here...

Not exactly. If you have a new heart, you will not sin. It's not expressed by you showing up to church on what you think is the right day of the week that you religious beliefs tell you God expects of you, and then calling that an act of love. Love is not judging others who don't believe like you do, for instance. That is the weightier matter of the law.

The first part of your post highlighted in red is correct. If we have a new heart to love God we will not practice sin. According to the scriptures sin is defined as the transgression or breaking of the law (1 John 3:4) and not believing and following what Gods Word says (Romans 14:23). According to the scriptures Gods 10 commandments give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and 1 John 3:4) and according to James in James 2:10-11 if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them. Gods 4th commandment is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. I have never said to you or anyone else here that it is dependent on going to Church. According to the scriptures we are to not to judge according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment (John 7:24) and we are to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith or not. The test to know that we know God is if we keep His commandments. He that says he knows God and does not keep His commandments according to the scriptures is a liar and the truth is not in him - 1 John 2:3-4. I do not judge you or anyone else here according to Jesus it is the words of God we accept or reject that will be our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48).

Take Care.