Is there a way in which all religions are similarly wrong?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Yes, I think that is true. Every religion gives preference to belief over reason. The Bible claims, within it's own pages, to be revealed truth -- as does the Qu'ran, not to mention Baha'u'llah or the Guru Granth Sahib.

So I'll ask a question: how many human ills have been resolved or ameliorated through scriptural text, compared to how many have been resolved or ameliorated through reason, science and rational inquiry? Is religion curing people of cancer, or is it chemotherapy and surgery? Does Scripture tell you how to get to the moon, or clean up your oceans, or get the CO2 out of the air so we can keep breathing, or is it science that is doing that?

So, my own answer to myself is this: all religions, in my view, are wrong in the same way, in that they insist on belief over reason. And that will never solve the problems we face now, or will face in the future.

 

[Jimmy]

None of them share the truth. Haha. No in all seriousness I respect all religions.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

In regards to your answer, what if religion isn’t intended to guide humanity but instead guide humans?

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, I think that is true. Every religion gives preference to belief over reason.

That's it.

 

[Audie]

Yes, I think that is true. Every religion gives preference to belief over reason. The Bible claims, within it's own pages, to be revealed truth -- as does the Qu'ran, not to mention Baha'u'llah or the Guru Granth Sahib.

So I'll ask a question: how many human ills have been resolved or ameliorated through scriptural text, compared to how many have been resolved or ameliorated through reason, science and rational inquiry? Is religion curing people of cancer, or is it chemotherapy and surgery? Does Scripture tell you how to get to the moon, or clean up your oceans, or get the CO2 out of the air so we can keep breathing, or is it science that is doing that?

So, my own answer to myself is this: all religions, in my view, are wrong in the same way, in that they insist on belief over reason. And that will never solve the problems we face now, or will face in the future.

To me they are all make believe

 

[Valjean]

None of them share the truth. Haha. No in all seriousness I respect all religions.

Why, If I may ask?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, I think that is true. Every religion gives preference to belief over reason. The Bible claims, within it's own pages, to be revealed truth -- as does the Qu'ran, not to mention Baha'u'llah or the Guru Granth Sahib.

So I'll ask a question: how many human ills have been resolved or ameliorated through scriptural text, compared to how many have been resolved or ameliorated through reason, science and rational inquiry? Is religion curing people of cancer, or is it chemotherapy and surgery? Does Scripture tell you how to get to the moon, or clean up your oceans, or get the CO2 out of the air so we can keep breathing, or is it science that is doing that?

So, my own answer to myself is this: all religions, in my view, are wrong in the same way, in that they insist on belief over reason. And that will never solve the problems we face now, or will face in the future.

Not all religions.

Some are subservient to science and do not have a belief system.

 

[Valjean]

Many seem to discourage critical analysis of their claims or doctrines. They value faith over rationality.

 

[Jimmy]

Why, If I may ask?

Why what?

 

[Valjean]

Not all religions.

Some are subservient to science and do not have a belief system.

Some, like Baha'i claim to give science precedence, but, in practice, discourage this line of reasoning if it undermines their core beliefs.
A religion without a belief system? Examples, please. What defines a religion, if not a belief system?

 

[Valjean]

Why what?

Why do you respect all religions? What's the respect based on?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Some, like Baha'i claim to give science precedence, but, in practice, discourage this line of reasoning if it undermines their core beliefs.
A religion without a belief system? Examples, please. What defines a religion, if not a belief system?

Bompu Zen has no belief system as well as other sects involving Buddhism.

Bompu - Secular Zen

The five types of Zen according to Zong Mi's classification Zong Mi was one of the first Zen masters in China. The following quote is from Yasutani Roshi's book. "I am convinced that this division is still valid and useful. From the outside, these types of Zen differ little from each other...

www.centrum-medytacji.com

 

[Jimmy]

Why do you respect all religions? What's the respect based on?

They introduce children to spirituality. People enjoy different aspects of their religions. God and things of supernatural nature, of which I believe, are a part of religions. Most religions speak of death and an afterlife which is cool.

 

[Valjean]

Bompu Zen has no belief system as well as other sects involving Buddhism.

Bompu - Secular Zen

The five types of Zen according to Zong Mi's classification Zong Mi was one of the first Zen masters in China. The following quote is from Yasutani Roshi's book. "I am convinced that this division is still valid and useful. From the outside, these types of Zen differ little from each other...

www.centrum-medytacji.com

Interesting, but Bompu sounds like an exercise program or physical therapy regimen, rather than a religion. Doesn't "secular" imply non-religious?

 

[SomeRandom]

Yes, I think that is true. Every religion gives preference to belief over reason. The Bible claims, within it's own pages, to be revealed truth -- as does the Qu'ran, not to mention Baha'u'llah or the Guru Granth Sahib.

So I'll ask a question: how many human ills have been resolved or ameliorated through scriptural text, compared to how many have been resolved or ameliorated through reason, science and rational inquiry? Is religion curing people of cancer, or is it chemotherapy and surgery? Does Scripture tell you how to get to the moon, or clean up your oceans, or get the CO2 out of the air so we can keep breathing, or is it science that is doing that?

So, my own answer to myself is this: all religions, in my view, are wrong in the same way, in that they insist on belief over reason. And that will never solve the problems we face now, or will face in the future.

Whilst I actually agree.
I’ve never actually known a Hindu to use the Vedas (our Bible) in an argument. Only to resolve disputes over how a ritual is performed lol
Anything else is…”up to interpretation.”
Though it does happen for sure

I will say, education is very much emphasised in our community. Perhaps a leftover consequence of being largely immigrants??
Which often leads to an interesting dynamic that I grew up around
The youth are often pressured into getting various Degrees and Doctorates, especially in the sciences, so they end up rolling their eyes in Temple and lamenting the more superstitious elements of it all.
But nonetheless will readily fulfil every single thing asked of them during ceremonies, due to the cultural element associated with it all

 

[Augustus]

Every religion gives preference to belief over reason.

Traditionally religion was far more about praxis than belief, faith is more suitable for the Abrahamics. I'm not even sure all religions have beliefs in the first place.

So I'll ask a question: how many human ills have been resolved or ameliorated through scriptural text, compared to how many have been resolved or ameliorated through reason, science and rational inquiry? Is religion curing people of cancer, or is it chemotherapy and surgery? Does Scripture tell you how to get to the moon, or clean up your oceans, or get the CO2 out of the air so we can keep breathing, or is it science that is doing that?

If you see religion as a kind of primitive science then these may make sense, if you see it as something that developed for social and psychological reasons and is more akin to ideology than a method of enquiry then it seems a category error.

Decrying how primitive superstition is holding us back from the promised land discoverable by reason is very Protestant though

 

[RestlessSoul]

Yes, I think that is true. Every religion gives preference to belief over reason. The Bible claims, within it's own pages, to be revealed truth -- as does the Qu'ran, not to mention Baha'u'llah or the Guru Granth Sahib.

So I'll ask a question: how many human ills have been resolved or ameliorated through scriptural text, compared to how many have been resolved or ameliorated through reason, science and rational inquiry? Is religion curing people of cancer, or is it chemotherapy and surgery? Does Scripture tell you how to get to the moon, or clean up your oceans, or get the CO2 out of the air so we can keep breathing, or is it science that is doing that?

So, my own answer to myself is this: all religions, in my view, are wrong in the same way, in that they insist on belief over reason. And that will never solve the problems we face now, or will face in the future.

Did religion fill the oceans with plastic, and the soil and air with toxins, or did we achieve that through the use of science and reason? Did scripture give us weapons the destructive power of which are 1000x greater than those that flattened Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or did science and reason do that? And what on earth is the point of getting to the moon or Mars, if in so doing we turn a natural paradise into an ash-heap?

My answer to you is that we will never solve the problems we face right now, until we stop pointing the finger at each other, and learn to develop the best in ourselves while facing up to and mitigating the worst. My answer to myself is that we can only do this when we stop playing God, and humbly ask for His or Her help.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Interesting, but Bompu sounds like an exercise program or physical therapy regimen, rather than a religion. Doesn't "secular" imply non-religious?

It, being Zen, barely qualifies as a religion as there is nothing spiritual about it, aside from various metaphorical uses of religious terms here and there.

A religion, any religion, is not something your going to take with you when you die, so in general, religions pretty much serve as a holistic raft for this life.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Yes, I think that is true. Every religion gives preference to belief over reason. The Bible claims, within it's own pages, to be revealed truth -- as does the Qu'ran, not to mention Baha'u'llah or the Guru Granth Sahib.

So Christianity, Islam, Baha'i Faith, and Sikhism are the totality every religion?

Anyway...

So I'll ask a question: how many human ills have been resolved or ameliorated through scriptural text, compared to how many have been resolved or ameliorated through reason, science and rational inquiry?

I don't have these numbers, and I can't seem to find them anywhere on teh interwebz.

It's probably because they're not available anywhere.

But if you're implying that none have been resolved or ameliorated through scripture, you're probably wrong.

Is religion curing people of cancer, or is it chemotherapy and surgery? Does Scripture tell you how to get to the moon, or clean up your oceans, or get the CO2 out of the air so we can keep breathing, or is it science that is doing that?

Clearly, you misunderstand the purpose of religion.

So, my own answer to myself is this: all religions, in my view, are wrong in the same way, in that they insist on belief over reason. And that will never solve the problems we face now, or will face in the future.

What problems are you having that you need help with?

I find your implication that all religions seek to solve the world's problems through belief ignorant and insulting. There are religions that accept that science is an important part of solving problems and answering questions.

Both science and religion/spirituality are tools to navigate life and solve problems. Go build a house using only a hammer and let me know how you fare.

 

[SalixIncendium]

To me they are all make believe

If imagination and fairly tales served no purpose in life, why do they exist at all?