Koldo
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When did I mention religion?
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Do you believe in God?
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When did I mention religion?
Banach-Tarski Paradox
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OK, whatever it is your culture uses to figure this stuff out.
Your worldview, if that makes you feel better.
Do you not have a worldview?
Surely, your culture has something resembling religion to tell you that slavery is wrong.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Surely it does. How does that relate to philosophy?
Banach-Tarski Paradox
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Can philosophy explain why it took some cultures so long to recognize what you call common sense?
What did Aristotle and Socrates have to say about common sense?
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Banach-Tarski Paradox
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The Greek philosopher Aristotle developed a new justification for slavery: the notion of the "natural slave." Slaves, in his view, lacked the higher qualities of the soul necessary for freedom.
Digital History
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Banach-Tarski Paradox
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@Koldo
It seems to me that what you call philosophy is a step backwards from what you call common sense.
Common sense moved us forward, while philosophy held us back.
The world could use more common sense.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Do you believe in God?
Yes, I do believe in G-d, and it is very natural and reasonable, right?
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Yes, I do believe in G-d, and it is very natural and reasonable, right?
Regards
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Yup, I am aware of that. Your point being... ?
paarsurrey
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" common sense "
Isn't " common sense" a misnomer, please, right?
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Psychology Today
https://www.psychologytoday.com › the-power-prime
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Was any of these links your proof of God or did you just refer to it as Ultrafinitism but not link to it?
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It's natural, but not reasonable in my view.
If you think it is reasonable please provide reliable evidence for God which follows the principles of sound reason.
Thanks in advance.
RestlessSoul
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No, you are the one assuming that. In answer to the question, “Where do natural laws come from?, you replied “From the formation of the early universe, according to my understanding.” Are you now saying that the universe is governed by laws which have always been there? Laws impose order, and have a set of guiding principles, what order and what principles govern the universe?
RestlessSoul
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If you think it is reasonable to believe that a universe governed by observable laws unfolded randomly and rushes aimlessly nowhere, please provide your reasoned argument.
Thank you for spotting that I was not sufficiently clear.
Basically according to my understanding we only know about the universe from 10^-28 seconds onwards if I have understood this link correctly;
Overview - NASA Science
The Universe’s History The origin, evolution, and nature of the universe have fascinated and confounded humankind for centuries. New ideas and major discoveries made during the 20th century transformed cosmology – the term for the way we conceptualize and study the universe – although much...
science.nasa.gov
'Scientists aren’t sure what came before inflation or what powered it.'
Source: the NASA link in this reply.
So what I'm clumsily trying to say is that the laws of physics probably came about during the early period of inflation (that scientists know about)
Spice seemed to be saying something formed the state the universe was in before the expansion and I was trying to point out that was assuming her conclusion since we don't know what came before the inflation or what powered it.
As to your question about the laws of the universe being eternal;
'The laws of physics must have been different at the start of the universe than they are now, according to a mind-bending study conducted by University of Florida astronomers, which provides clues to why stars, planets and life itself managed to form in the universe.'
Source: The laws of physics used to be different, which may explain why you exist.
Hope that clarifies what I was trying to say. I have covid at the moment and my thoughts tend to be a little scatterbrained at the best of times.
In the absence of evidence for the universe having some sort of "aim" it appears to be the null hypothesis in my view.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I have found no philosophical or scientific reason for existence of God. That is why I am an atheist.
Even my scriptures (more than 2000 years old), Samkhya, Vaisheshika, Poorva Mimamsa or Advaita Hinduism do not believe in a personal God.
Yeah, come to fundamentals and try to prove your case.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
But if a huge multitude of micro states give an identical macro state, then the probability of that macro state emerging is very, very, high.
How high is the probability of a billion grains of sand being randomly arranged in such a way as to yield a sandy beach? Compare that with the probability of all the matter and energy in the universe being randomly arranged in such a state as to initiate the Big Bang.
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, but that is not obejctive. In effect it is not different than a belief in God, because they are both subjective and without evidence.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, your scriptures are special as they are not even that. They are hard physical objective facts and not subjective like any other worldview.
That is how speical a scammer you are.
