If We All Became God?

[The Hammer]

It is a predatorial, opportunistic behavior and worse, but I would not call that lying.

It does entitle other birds to be wary and aggressive towards them, but not for being liars.

"Intent to decieve" (my view of what lying is) still falls under opportunistic predatory brood rearing imo. There is no real clear answer.

It really depends on how we define a lying. Such as whether we include deception. No clear answers as I see it.

 

[danieldemol]

What would be the pros and cons?

Inspired by @Nakosis' thread about becoming atheists.
I was wondering what would happen if everyone had a God realization that they were verily that.
Certainly not any forced realization. Just a movement to evolve beyond identification with the body and mind.
Being God doesn't deny the human experience. Self-realization only recognizes one's being the same as God.
What Self-realization does deny is that we are limited to this human existence. I suppose a few people might be reluctant to let go of their attachment to the world.

Pros - the power to have sex with as many women as I want
Cons - All those women would have the power to reject me as they are also God

 

[InChrist]

What would be the pros and cons?

Inspired by @Nakosis' thread about becoming atheists.
I was wondering what would happen if everyone had a God realization that they were verily that.
Certainly not any forced realization. Just a movement to evolve beyond identification with the body and mind.
Being God doesn't deny the human experience. Self-realization only recognizes one's being the same as God.
What Self-realization does deny is that we are limited to this human existence. I suppose a few people might be reluctant to let go of their attachment to the world.

This idea sounds like Mormonism.
I suppose it depends on what you mean or the definition of “God”. The biblical concept of God is an infinite, eternal Spirit Creator Being that has no beginning and with the creative ability to bring life into existence. Human beings have a beginning and no such creative power, so I don’t see how we can become God(s) at all.
If human beings could become some kind of lesser gods, I would think it would only result in chaos and more intense disorder and selfishness than we already see happening on earth.

 

[Fool]

What would be the pros and cons?

Inspired by @Nakosis' thread about becoming atheists.
I was wondering what would happen if everyone had a God realization that they were verily that.
Certainly not any forced realization. Just a movement to evolve beyond identification with the body and mind.
Being God doesn't deny the human experience. Self-realization only recognizes one's being the same as God.
What Self-realization does deny is that we are limited to this human existence. I suppose a few people might be reluctant to let go of their attachment to the world.

the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

 

[osgart]

"Intent to decieve" (my view of what lying is) still falls under opportunistic predatory brood rearing imo. There is no real clear answer.

It really depends on how we define a lying. Such as whether we include deception. No clear answers as I see it.

How about differentiating a fib from a lie. A lie is to deceive with malicious, or undeserved, criminal intent. A fib is to deceive in order to withhold undeserved information perhaps for privacy and/or protection. A fib can also be told to achieve an outcome that is harmless and only beneficial.

Motive/intent/outcome are the three things to define in differentiating between a fib and a lie.

 

[McBell]

How about differentiating a fib from a lie. A lie is to deceive with malicious, or undeserved, criminal intent. A fib is to deceive in order to withhold undeserved information perhaps for privacy and/or protection. A fib can also be told to achieve an outcome that is harmless and only beneficial.

Motive/intent/outcome are the three things to define in differentiating between a fib and a lie.

A fib is really nothing more than an acceptable lie.

 

[osgart]

A fib is really nothing more than an acceptable lie.

That's mixing words and blending them together as if they are the same. To call out someone as a liar would be a strong statement against doing bad deeds. Instead it makes lying an ambiguous term that could be good or bad.

I'd rather not ignore the severity of lies. There's a big difference between a lie and a fib as I have defined it. Those words would actually clarify meaning as I defined them. There's also a huge difference in motives/intents/outcomes between a lie and a fib. Clarifying the nature of motives is important.

Language needs clarification, and simplicity. Otherwise one could say that honesty can be a bad thing or good thing. The worst definition of honesty is one who always tells the truth. A more clear definition of honesty is one who tells, or conceals truth as deserved. There's a lot of needless, and irresponsible grey area in language as it is. The grey area that exists makes it easy to twist the meanings of words. I don't enjoy mixing the good with the bad.

 

[McBell]

That's mixing words and blending them together as if they are the same.

Except I clearly pointed out the difference.
That being "acceptable".

To call out someone as a liar would be a strong statement against doing bad deeds.

In your opinion.
to call out a liar is say that the liar lied.
That you label acceptable lies as fibs is a you thing.
Regardless of how many people agree with you, a lie is still a lie.
Whether you, or anyone else, finds said lie to be acceptable.

Instead it makes lying an ambiguous term that could be good or bad.

Again, this is a you problem.
As I already stated, a lie is a lie regardless of how acceptable you or anyone else finds it.

I'd rather not ignore the severity of lies. There's a big difference between a lie and a fib as I have defined it.

Yes, you define a fib as a lie that you find/think/believe is acceptable.

Those words would actually clarify meaning as I defined them. There's also a huge difference in motives/intents/outcomes between a lie and a fib. Clarifying the nature of motives is important.

Language needs clarification, and simplicity. Otherwise one could say that honesty can be a bad thing or good thing. The worst definition of honesty is one who always tells the truth. A more clear definition of honesty is one who tells, or conceals truth as deserved. There's a lot of needless, and irresponsible grey area in language as it is. The grey area that exists makes it easy to twist the meanings of words. I don't enjoy mixing the good with the bad.

It is not any fault of mine that you find some lies acceptable enough to refuse to recognize them as lies.

 

[osgart]

Except I clearly pointed out the difference.
That being "acceptable".


In your opinion.
to call out a liar is say that the liar lied.
That you label acceptable lies as fibs is a you thing.
Regardless of how many people agree with you, a lie is still a lie.
Whether you, or anyone else, finds said lie to be acceptable.


Again, this is a you problem.
As I already stated, a lie is a lie regardless of how acceptable you or anyone else finds it.


Yes, you define a fib as a lie that you find/think/believe is acceptable.


It is not any fault of mine that you find some lies acceptable enough to refuse to recognize them as lies.

The obvious case is to protect life from people who if they had information about someone would use it to do harm, and damage. The murderer doesn't need truth about a potential victim's location for instance. So if pressed for sensitive information, or private truth matters I would either stay silent, or fib. I don't owe everyone every truth. It all hinges on what they deserve to know.

People say false things with completely different motives. Many fibs are also inconsequential.

 

[McBell]

The obvious case is to protect life from people who if they had information about someone would use it to do harm, and damage. The murderer doesn't need truth about a potential victim's location for instance. So if pressed for sensitive information, or private truth matters I would either stay silent, or fib. I don't owe everyone every truth. It all hinges on what they deserve to know.

People say false things with completely different motives. Many fibs are also inconsequential.

I can not help but wonder why you have such a hard time accepting the fact that telling lies is sometimes a good thing.

 

[osgart]

I can not help but wonder why you have such a hard time accepting the fact that telling lies is sometimes a good thing.

I word it differently because of the stark contrast in motives that are contrary; malice vs. honorable and benign. I don't like to mince and mingle my meanings when they are clearly different things.

 

[McBell]

I word it differently because of the stark contrast in motives that are contrary; malice vs. honorable and benign. I don't like to mince and mingle my meanings when they are clearly different things.

Ah.
So you go with 'lies' are bad unless they are good, in which case good lies are 'fibs'?

 

[osgart]

Ah.
So you go with 'lies' are bad unless they are good, in which case good lies are 'fibs'?

Intentional falsehoods that are good, or benign are fibs.

Intentional falsehoods that are malicious are lies.

So I use the word lie only in the bad sense.

That wraps that up?

 

[The Hammer]

Intentional falsehoods that are good, or benign are fibs.

Intentional falsehoods that are malicious are lies.

So I use the word lie only in the bad sense.

That wraps that up?

A lie is a lie is a lie. No fibulas involved

 

[McBell]

Intentional falsehoods that are good, or benign are fibs.

Intentional falsehoods that are malicious are lies.

So I use the word lie only in the bad sense.

That wraps that up?

So like I originally said way back in post #66:

A fib is really nothing more than an acceptable lie.​

 

[Quagmire]

*Start singing* "What if God was all of us . . ."

 

[paarsurrey]

If We All Became God?

No human was ever G-d, so it is wrong that all humans can/could be OneG-d, right, please?

Regards

 

[SalixIncendium]

If We All Became God?

No human was ever G-d, so it is wrong that all humans can/could be OneG-d, right, please?

Regards

Who said anything about humans?

 

[osgart]

So like I originally said way back in post #66:

A fib is really nothing more than an acceptable lie.​

In your book of definitions yes. To me a lie is deceiving someone to harm them, or for immoral gain. A lie in your book is merely an intentional falsehood.

When I think of lying I think bad things. That's the first reaction.

 

[paarsurrey]

If We All Became God?
paarsurrey said:
No human was ever G-d, so it is wrong that all humans can/could be OneG-d, right, please?

Who said anything about humans?

Ok. No human (or any thing/everything else in the Universe/s) was ever G-d, so it is wrong that all humans (including any thing/everything else in the Universe/s, collectively) can/could be OneG-d, right, please?

Regards