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Trump is safe following shooting at Florida golf course; suspect detained

Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Pogo said:
Drug dealers for example, that in itself might be reasonable, but when he adds his implication that immigrants are drug dealers without the caveat that extremely few of them are and that most drug smuggling is done by US citizens we have an example of undeserved violent rhetoric.

Then there are terrorists, but almost anyone can be a terrorist to him at any given time.
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Ok, I am against killing drug dealers but not terrorists.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
I can say the same about you. But where does that get us. Trump can talk issues and Harris cannot. She has to be scripted. I doubt you have listed to his speeches and interviews.

He has said why he changed hi smind. You just smeared him here because you cannot believe a republican can have any good in them. Kamala changed her opinion of Biden, She said she believed the women that accused Biden of inappropriate touching etc. Then she accepted the VP position.

I am the grown up. Trump is the best candidate for this country and all I hear from the dems are lies about what he said. Harris used the Charlottesville lie in the debate for example. The left leaning Snopes even says that is a false claim. Most dems believe whatever the media and dems say and repeat it as truth. I know all politicians lie not just republicans. Trump can be a ******* but he will protect our freedoms, secure the border, improve the economy and reduce tensions around the world. He did that in his first term. Harris has accomplished nothing and cannot accomplish anything. She doesn't know how. All she knows is to lie, grow government, race and gender bait, decrease liberty and will escalate wars. That is all she knows because that is her ideology. I don't believe her when she has changed her position on so many things to a more moderate position to try to get elected. She is a radical leftist, that is who she is and I will not vote for her. You cannot see through your hatred to ponder any of this in my opinion, hatred the left fosters and wants.
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How is snopes "left leaning" unless reality itself has a liberal bias? Also, how is Trump or the republican party going to "protect our freedoms" when their entire platform is based on stripping away people's rights and liberty?
 
Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Well, Mark Milley, for one.
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He said that he should be executed if he committed treason.
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Oh, and as he told former White House communications director Alyssa Farah Griffin, he “straight up said a staffer who leaked … should be executed”, referring to an anonymously sourced report that the former president had gone into a secure bunker at the White House at the height of the racial justice protests prompted by a Minneapolis police officer’s murder of George Floyd.
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Anonymous source. ok.
 
Copernicus

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Revoltingest said:
Many liberals want Democratic Fascism, ie, the
voters willingly impose laws that criminalize
hate speech, gun ownership, raising prices,
raising rent, etc.
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Many liberals AND conservatives want laws, and they want to impose them through a democratic process. This has nothing whatsoever to do with fascism of any sort. In a dictatorship, those same things are achieved by decree rather than through lawful democratic means. It's just that liberals, conservatives, and moderates differ on which laws and policies they want to see imposed.
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
He said that he should be executed if he committed treason.
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"This is an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!” Trump added in his post. There is no hint of "if" in that at all.

Milley did speak to a Chinese official -- with the knowledge of top Trump appointees -- to assure the Chinese on January 6 that America was "not under attack." This is the kind of back-channel communication that the world would be much, much less safe without.
Clizby Wampuscat said:
Anonymous source. ok.
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At the U.N. event today, Trump said, “You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart, right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.” In audio obtained by the Los Angeles Times, members of the audience laughed nervously.
 
Ebionite

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
Stevicus said:
I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "the effect of beneficial or predatory relationships between groups," as the benefit to society as a whole is what I was thinking about.
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Making distinctions between groups is essential if you want to find the cause-effect relationships that contribute to the overall benefit or detriment of society. The mechanisms of these relationships may not be obvious, especially when they are traditional.

Stevicus said:
Slavery is a violation of basic principles of human rights which most of the world has come to embrace.
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Human rights are a political construct with no basis in ethics. Natural rights are different, but are not generally recognised because of religious prejudice relating to the union of the church and state.

Stevicus said:
The most powerful and robust economies in the world got there through industrialism (which produces a diverse variety of products), not by embracing a plantation economy (which produces only one or two commodities).
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Industry is based on ambition and commerce, and commerce relies on a system of ethics that rewards merit and punishes wrongs.

Stevicus said:
Perhaps, although if the true state of the world is so radically different from what the government is willing to make public, then that may call into question whether the nation's leaders are acting in good faith and have America's genuine best interests at heart.
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This is the basis of conspiracy theory. Faith relating to the union of the church and state was central to the events of the early common era. Faith in the state was one of the Pauline doctrines and was central to the false accusations that led to the crucifixion. An alternative theory (insanity theory) that can be formed from the ideas of the early first century is that people can be socially functional and also suffer from a form of insanity that only affects reasoning or perception relating to a specific group of ideas. Insanity theory leads to the idea that people can cause injury without guilt, eg "not guilty by reason of insanity". This reasoning is apparent in the response of Festus and Agrippa to Paul's doctrine of resurrection (Acts 26:22-24, 32).

Stevicus said:
The only thing the public really has to go by is to judge them by their results and the effect on America as a whole, our standing in the world, our economic well-being, public order, the viability of our military forces, and other key indicators.
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Just judgment considers intangibles like intent. One of the indicators of malicious intent is the concealing of evidence. One of the ways that information can be concealed is through the institution of social taboos though policies relating to hate speech or disinformation.

Stevicus said:
Government failure is an indication that they're either not as smart as they think they are, or they're not working for America's interests in good faith.
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The failure also extends to the people who endorsed them by voting for them.

Stevicus said:
Their actions and attitudes would indicate that they believe themselves to be above reproach and that they don't have to answer for their failures.
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This behaviour is characteristic of one of the Pauline traits, namely pride (2 Corinthians 11:5)

Stevicus said:
Again, the question has to be asked: Were America's leaders back then genuinely working for America's national interests? Or were they working for some other country's interests or for some criminal enterprise?
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A few historical clues are the 1942 Foo Fighters, the 1942 battle of Los Angeles, Operation Highjump (1946), Roswell (1947), and the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948. The military context for Palestine involved the Havara Agreement and Menachem Begin's Irgun, responsible for the 1946 bombing of the King David Hotel.
 
Ebionite

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
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Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Copernicus said:
Many liberals AND conservatives want laws, and they want to impose them through a democratic process. This has nothing whatsoever to do with fascism of any sort.
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Except when it tends towards authoritarianism,
ie, tyranny of the majority.
Copernicus said:
In a dictatorship, those same things are achieved by decree rather than through lawful democratic means. It's just that liberals, conservatives, and moderates differ on which laws and policies they want to see imposed.
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I've such criticism of cons too,
but you should note that I
responded to a particular post.
You shouldn't expect that my
every post will cover every base.
 
Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Spice said:
There are masses of independent photographers that make their living off of being at the right place at the right time and selling their shots or footage. Have you never heard of The Paparazzi? Not to mention the publicity people hired by the celebrity. And Trump is definitely a celebrity of his own making.
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Some of them can even be coopted to murder princesses like Diana,
There a conspiracy theory that should help him to believe it.
 
Ebionite

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
Spice said:
There are masses of independent photographers that make their living off of being at the right place at the right time and selling their shots or footage. Have you never heard of The Paparazzi? Not to mention the publicity people hired by the celebrity. And Trump is definitely a celebrity of his own making.
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What are the odds?
 
Copernicus

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Revoltingest said:
Copernicus said:
Many liberals AND conservatives want laws, and they want to impose them through a democratic process. This has nothing whatsoever to do with fascism of any sort.
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Except when it tends towards authoritarianism,
ie, tyranny of the majority.
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I don't see liberalism per se as tending towards authoritarianism any more than libertarianism or conservatism does. I think that individuals can advocate for authoritarian methods to achieve their goals at the same time that they deny favoring authoritarianism. If one believes that the end justifies the means, then sometimes it is easy to be sold on the idea that a strong leader can blaze a path to the promised land by sweeping aside all of the obstacles holding us back. MAGA is an authoritarian movement of that sort, but it is also possible to find radical leftists who think that a strong leader with their same values can sweep away obstacles to their promised land, as well.

Revoltingest said:
Copernicus said:
In a dictatorship, those same things are achieved by decree rather than through lawful democratic means. It's just that liberals, conservatives, and moderates differ on which laws and policies they want to see imposed.
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I've such criticism of cons too,
but you should note that I
responded to a particular post.
You shouldn't expect that my
every post will cover every base.
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Yes, you responded to anotherneil's comment about gun control with a claim about many liberals favoring Democratic Fascism. I disagree with that. Safety regulations have nothing whatsoever to do with fascism. We have lots of those kinds of regulations, and it is difficult to imagine a representative democracy that would be without them. So I saw your comment as rather a broad brush sweep at gun regulation, which, by the way, is supported by a majority of conservatives as well. Any law can be deemed a "tyranny of the majority" in a functioning democracy, but that has nothing to do with fascism. It has to do with not liking the particular safety regulation that the majority supports.
 
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