Think of the random ways snowflakes congregate together. The process that causes water molecules to gather into very pretty patterns is not itself random. The patterns are very pretty and rather randomly sorted but the mechanism isn't random at all.
The fact that mutations occur at random doesn't mean that mutation itself is some "random" process. Think of the processes at work on a billiard table. The forces that act on the balls during a game are occurring in a random fashion. But the physics involved is not, itself, very "random".
We...
Well, I guess you settled THAT.. lol. On what evidence do you propose that we should conclude that there is a creator god who created .... whatever it is you believe was created?
Is this your evidence? That someone wrote their beliefs in a book that you like?
God made? What is the evidence...
Oh, it's just a choice. Great. Pick your god. Pick and choose what's real. What a fantasy you live in!
But things that don't leave a trace of evidence are called.. NOT REAL.
Please, you can pretend that there is a spirit.. all you like. You can even pretend that you know what you really don't...
It's no use at all to simply give me a Bible verse. I don't really care what it says. I want to know why you believe such nonsense. I don't really THINK you are going to provide the evidence by telling me snidely why I dont believe.
I get it. People who don't agree with you are fools. Great...
You say you are sure of something for which you have no evidence for. To me, your certainty is misplaced and misguided.
Ahh the evidence. And pray tell, what IS this glorious evidence?
What an absolutely ridiculous notion. I have to WHAT? ... believe in something BEFORE I get good evidence...
I'm asking for evidence. Surely, if we HAD reliable evidence for the veracity of the Bible, I would not be asking for it.
But no evidence. Just these boring arguments. Doesn't convince people outside the faith, and apologetics IS NOT EVIDENCE... It's what we get INSTEAD of evidence.
That's...
No, real life is what actually happens that we can both agree on, regardless of religious conviction, or lack thereof. Gravity exists in real life, for example. I think you should agree with that kind of statement. We don't agree about your god beliefs. We agree on probably a lot of physical...
If the time is SOON.. then the time to believe is THEN..
Promises, promises.. I'll wait for REAL evidence, and not your facile promises, of evidence to come, thank you very much. :)
So, you take your Bible stories as evidence for your Bible stories. But you don't believe something "just because" it was written in a book do you? Surely not. Harry Potter includes witness accounts, so using your standard, the story is TRUE? ...
History books aren't being used to prove that...
Then you mistakenly believe that anything at all that has a good line of thought is also TRUE.
As long as it makes sense it's true?
Is that how you judge what is true and what is not?
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So, out of the 6 billion believers, why should anyone believe what you do?
"A number in itself that should cause atheist to stop and think."
Numbers don't prove that something is true, sorry. All these people can be wrong, that's not a problem. Most people simply do not learn...
Ok that works for those whose heart were stolen. What about the others?
No "God" succeeded with me, for example.
And of course, we can't agree that you KNOW that a god exists just because you report that it somehow "loves" you.
No that would be rather stupid of me. I don't pretend to know what I really don't know. So, do I KNOW that only the physical universe exists? NO.
However, if you CLAIM to know that something OTHER than the physical universe exists... bring us your SCIENTIFIC evidence for it, or your claim is...
You obviously love to put the cart before the horse. Science does not presuppose anything. That's what makes science useful. Religions however, make things up, and then insist that they are true. Without any evidence.
Science gives us real results, and religions gives us only confirmation...
Oh great, let's take a look at the facts that led you to believe that a god exists. I can't wait!
I don't think you know what a fact is, you didn't provide even ONE fact that proves your god belief is true.