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  1. Fade

    evolution in schools

    Yes I do suppose that Dr. Dean Kenyon doesn't understand evolution. Any person claiming to be a scientist who can examine the quite literally overwhelming flood of evidence in favour of evolution and then come to the conclusion that it doesn't account for what we see is either mentally retarded...
  2. Fade

    prove me wrong on evolution

    This is the cherry on top of a brilliant post. Great stuff JerryL :clap
  3. Fade

    synopsis of a Michael Shermer Hugh Ross debate

    Oh my that sounds like juicy goss, do tell!! :eek:
  4. Fade

    synopsis of a Michael Shermer Hugh Ross debate

    Never seen it but based on my works web filter I'm certainly gonna have a look at it when i get home :D
  5. Fade

    synopsis of a Michael Shermer Hugh Ross debate

    Answers in Genesis is always good for a laugh...or a cry depending on your mood. :(
  6. Fade

    evolution in schools

    Or people tend not to agree with things that make their beliefs seem obsolete/ridiculous.
  7. Fade

    synopsis of a Michael Shermer Hugh Ross debate

    It sounds like this Ross fella has read an awful lot of scientific material, not really understood it and then tried to shoehorn it into his worldview.
  8. Fade

    prove me wrong on evolution

    Agreed http://www.vuletic.com/hume/cefec/4-18.html Yes there are two seperate processes. But...and it's that ever present but, mutation is always present.
  9. Fade

    prove me wrong on evolution

    It's the same thing, you can't just arbitrarily assign a line where you feel like it. That's right, it's that wonderful mechanism called mutation that is always present that really makes all the difference. Why do you insist on ignoring this? Ah, do you accept that if you go far enough back...
  10. Fade

    prove me wrong on evolution

    Yes, you did. But if you ask a scientist whether over time the evolution caused by natural selection will give rise to macroevolution he will be forced to say 'no'. He cannot argue that natural selection does not give rise to evolution in and of itself. Same thing if you ask about Genetic...
  11. Fade

    prove me wrong on evolution

    I think this statement is complete rubbish. Natural selection and genetic drift do result in speciation/evolution. Please provide me with a peer reviewed, scientific source that echos your statement.
  12. Fade

    prove me wrong on evolution

    yea please do.
  13. Fade

    prove me wrong on evolution

    Phew that was a long sentence...:D If your view is that creationists are correct then by definition you are saying that science is wrong. Creationist say there is a difference between macro/micro while Science says there isn't. It's pretty cut and dry. My spidey sense tells me that this is...
  14. Fade

    prove me wrong on evolution

    Okay lets scrap all that and approach this from a different angle. Are you saying that Science is wrong about 'Macro Evolution' but is right about 'Micro Evolution'?
  15. Fade

    prove me wrong on evolution

    Yes it is. Dogs are not clones...though Hwang had a good go at it. Yes, it is. I am not a clone of my parents. I know this...the point I am trying to make is that mutations are there...everytime. It's perfectly clear, I'm not telling you that science is wrong, I'm saying that you are wrong.
  16. Fade

    prove me wrong on evolution

    Yes. Are you still trying to convince me that Great Danes and Sausage dogs aren't mutants? Yes Your first point is also a 'scientific fact', though I'm loathe to use the term...but since you are, I will too.
  17. Fade

    prove me wrong on evolution

    I don't think I'm misunderstanding anything. I presented my counter to Ceridwens point and for now I stand by it. What you are saying makes sense, but doesn't have any relevance to your micro vs. macro evolution argument. This is utterly incorrect. Mutation leading to new genetic information...
  18. Fade

    evolution in schools

    What evidence argues against a naturalistic origin?
  19. Fade

    evolution in schools

    Saying you don't know the answer is hardly a cop out. Not trying to find the answer and appealing to a divine cause is a cop out. :bonk: edit - yay for my 500th post :jiggy:
  20. Fade

    evolution in schools

    Blah blah blah, wiffle waffle blah... Here, let me spell it out for you. Gravity is a fact. The theory of Gravity is the attempt to explain what gravity is and why when you throw something up it usually comes back down. Evolution is a fact. The theory of Evolution is the attempt to explain...
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