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And God Said To Me, In A Little Quiet Voice
"I only wished you to be fruitful and multiply. I blessed you so. But now my Blessing cannot be heard. You have your idols, your Moses, your Jesus, your Mohammed. I have given you freewill and so I will not involve myself in your world, but I cry every time I see murder and hatred in My name. I...- Lionel Refson
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- blasphemy god religion religious guilt and fear
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- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Where do gangsters go when they die......
Not in the least. God does not judge us on wordly affairs. Remember the true God as expressed in Genesis up to 9:19 (the rest of the Bible being nonsense) forgave Adam, Cain and only destroyed that humanity that had been corrupted by the nephilim Even those that shed blood will be dealt with by...- Lionel Refson
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- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Where do gangsters go when they die......
Can you prove that? I do not believe that God punishes anyone, good or bad, and As I have said Gen 9:6 even murderers are to be dealt with by humans but there still is a reckoning...God forgave Adam and Cain , so I wonder what the reckoning will be? I don"t know, not having died yet Why is it...- Lionel Refson
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- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Everything has become bitter
Knowing that reality is hateful, live in it a minute at a time. take pleasure in the small things. Pick a dandelion, apologize to it for having killed it, blow on it, watch the seeds fly away. Consider its form, perfect for its needs. Look at your own skin. Consider how marvellous it is, how it...- Lionel Refson
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- Forum: Men's Issues
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Only the 'saved' will get into heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everything suffers in this world. the apple suffered when it was taken from the tree. The tree suffered when it lost the apple. Adam and Eve knew suffering when they took the apple Why? because all life is suffering and this life, a life of illusions, is suffering. When we die we rejoin that...- Lionel Refson
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- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Only the 'saved' will get into heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe in the existence of a Perfect God. Who said God could not make perfect copies? How do you know this? Why would God make humans a perfect copy? .can Perfection not make something imperfect? By your logic perfection can only make perfection and so that perfection can not be perfect...- Lionel Refson
- Post #111
- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Only the 'saved' will get into heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we were given free-will and self-awareness because that is what we chose. This is my take on the Adam and Eve story (written for a different audience God made man and woman and wished to give them freewill i.e. the right and ability to make choices, otherwise they would have been as slaves...- Lionel Refson
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- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Your Most Important Biblical Verse
An excellent choice showing the muddled thinking of later biblical prophets!!. God could create evil/strife if God wishes but why would God do so for humanity that God blessed? To test us? Why would God ever do that as God already knows how things will play out- Lionel Refson
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- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Your Most Important Biblical Verse
if you could only name one biblical verse, what is the most important one for you and why? Mine is Genesis 9:6 Whoever sheds the blood of man through man shall his blood be shed, for in the image of God He made man.. Why? because this verse, as spoken by God, makes it clear that all human sin...- Lionel Refson
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- false religions genesis god
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- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Could you be wrong?
Genesis 9:5 5 But your blood, of your souls, I will demand [an account]; from the hand of every beast I will demand it, and from the hand of man, from the hand of each man, his brother, I will demand the soul of man. There is an afterlife (my bold emphasis above) and there is a God, who does not...- Lionel Refson
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- Forum: General Religious Debates
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EVERLASTING OLD COVENANT (Jew V Christian)
The reason i do not accept the New Testament and most of the Old testament ie everything following Genesis 9:19 is because they are in direct contradiction to God's first blessing and promise. To accept that God's first promise and blessing somehow needs to be updated every so often, or indeed...- Lionel Refson
- Post #63
- Forum: General Religious Debates
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EVERLASTING OLD COVENANT (Jew V Christian)
Corruption in my eyes is NOT everlasting. You have twisted my words and you clearly do not believe God is Perfection. . God blesses everlasting generations of humanity but we have freewill and if we wish to do bad things or behave counter to this Blessing then that is up to us. God's promise...- Lionel Refson
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- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Spin the Wheel
Muslims believe the Old Testament was God's first book and was the true word of God up to the part where the Jewish scribes started to depict God as a Hebrew God only. They accuse the Jews of having changed the texts. But before that part,it is holy to them ie Genesis Noah/Nur- Lionel Refson
- Post #92
- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Spin the Wheel
....or God gave us a message in Genesis which we being human and having freewill have corrupted and lost. Over the generations there have been those who have found and repeated the message but self-serving individuals have twisted even these messages and used them for their own ends, branding...- Lionel Refson
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- Forum: General Religious Debates
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EVERLASTING OLD COVENANT (Jew V Christian)
Whoa there Genesis [9:16] When the bow is in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth. The promise and by implication Gods Blessing was for everlasting generations. No need for any more and no need...- Lionel Refson
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- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Spin the Wheel
The next verses are equally important [9:7] And you, be fruitful and multiply, abound on the earth and multiply in it. [9:8] Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him, [9:9] "As for me, I am establishing my covenant with you and your descendants after you, [9:10] and with every living...- Lionel Refson
- Post #82
- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Spin the Wheel
Genesis Chapter 9 [9:1] God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth." The flood has subsided, Noah and his sons have been saved.. All that remains are the descendants of us all Noah and his sons, the Fathers of the whole human race. God or if...- Lionel Refson
- Post #81
- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Spin the Wheel
Keeping God's nature In Your Mind's Eye If you pick up a Bible, turn to Genesis and began to read , all the while hoping this time to catch a glimpse of the magnificence that is meant to be God you will come to the Adam And Eve tale. This is the first Bible story that you must fully understand...- Lionel Refson
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- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Spin the Wheel
Basically I believe in God without religion and you believe in God via one united religion, more or less. if you check my signature you will see exactly how I believe what I believe. IMHO your faith has a hopeless uphill struggle ie in uniting, finding common agreement ,whilst my approach still...- Lionel Refson
- Post #79
- Forum: General Religious Debates
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Spin the Wheel
- Lionel Refson
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- Forum: General Religious Debates