Yes, I can see how you get to where you're at. But I can also see how Brian2 gets to what he believes is true. And I can understand how ppp sees things. And Aupmanyav too. Can you?
Or... are you so blinded by your beliefs that you really can't see how and why other people believe differently...
Yes and other religions have their interpretations of their Scriptures about the end times. If... the verse that says there will wars and rumors of wars but that is not yet the end is about the end times, then Baha'i beliefs don't fit.
Yes, Baha'is can interpret things to make the Baha'i Faith...
TB says that is not in the Bible. Are you basing that on this...
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is...
A just and fair determination? I'd say Bill Sears was wrong. Yet, TB keeps quoting him.
Now from the link about the "Valley of Achor".
As published by Baha’is:
Prophecies specifically regarding “‘Akká” (Achor):
Isaiah 65:10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a...
This is meaningless to Baha'is. Because they believe his physical body is dead and gone... That the resurrection was only symbolic... That he rose "spiritually" not "physically.
But is that what the NT says? No. In one Gospel it has Jesus say to touch him and see that he is real and not a ghost...
No. Baha'is make claims that certain verses are prophecies, and that they have been fulfilled.
Exactly, they pick and choose.
But this is one of them they don't pick.
They also claim the the "Three Woes" in Revelation are Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah. Here was my response to Tony...
But not in Jerusalem? How do Baha'is explain away references to Jerusalem and Mt. Zion? No, what I should ask is... Why do Baha'is explain away any references about the Messiah that mentions Jerusalem or Mt. Zion?
So easy to claim. And so easy to cherry pick verses and claim they are prophesies about him.
Yes, they can say it is the "greatest" book in the world all they want. But they obviously don't mean it.
Yes, some day.
Yes, all this stuff about "loving" the Bible is meaningless when they reject...
It's just like the election we just had here in the U.S. One side believes their person is telling the truth, and they "believe" their person is the only way to salvation.
Baha'is just get added in to the mix of religious people saying that what they believe is the truth. And, ironically, the...
You can keep claiming that, but I agree with TB... it is only a belief. It is not a fact to anyone but Baha'is.
But what's bad about you and other Baha'is making those kinds of claims is that it is divisive. You are saying that the Baha'i Faith is the one and only religion that has the truth...
Of course they believe they are following the Bible. But to do that they have to find alternative ways to interpret the Bible.
Right from the start they make the Adam and Eve story symbolic. And they continue to do that with Noah and the Flood. Yet, they say that Adam and Noah were...
Sure. It is all fulfilled... just not literally. Which means anybody can make up any whacked out symbolic interpretation they want.
But... maybe I'm wrong... give me the Baha'i interpretation of the prophesies about Kalki. Let's see how Baha'is make them fit.
So easy to say, but what does it say in Revelation about what happens during that second and third "Woe"? It should be things that happened during the Bab's and Baha'u'llah's lifetime, right? But no...
Rev 11: 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed...
Which he is? Yes, in your opinion. And if Baha'u'llah is the promised one then he is wrong. But... what if Baha'u'llah is not the promised one? Then you're wrong.
He only set the "standard" for Baha'is. But is the standard he set something that all people believe and agree to? No.
No. If a...
Yes, according to what the Born Again Christians believe... based on the NT
Yes, according to your Baha'i beliefs.
Definitely, they don't believe the gospel as believed by Born Again Christians.
No, he's not. Only going by your Baha'i beliefs.
Yes, how do we know any of these ancient stories...
For Baha'is does it matter that the prophecies don't fit? No. They can easily make anything fit. Here's a Baha'i that says it is better that they don't fit, yet... the claim is that Baha'u'llah is the fulfillment of the prophecies about Kalki.
Given these limitations, which are rather profound...
I think Baha'is and Christians have their people that go through the motions. Probably with Baha'is is not out of fear like I think is happening with some Christians, but out of, "Well, it sounds good. Peace, unity, what can be so bad about that?"
But it's a religion with a lot of rules and...
Hey, that works for the Born Again Christians. Why not Baha'is also. "Can you take a chance? Do you want the Baha'i God to be upset with you after you die?"
Yeah... It might work... But nothing like the Christian version... "You want to take the chance of eternity in hell? With fire...
As if the sexual moral laws of any religion get obeyed by anyone but a few. I new some Christians that tried to be "pure" and celibate until married. They were sexually repressed basket cases. One of them had a one night fling and was spiritually devastated for weeks. But for Christians, it's...
It's so strange... When I hear a Baha'i talk I hear, "None of the religions have the truth anymore. They've all mangled the original message. And even though some of the social laws were true in the original teachings, they were only meant for that time. The next prophet brought new social laws...