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  1. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    No, you are bringing up a similar gaps argument that theists use that we cannot explain how the universe came into being therefore God to justify your own gaps argument that you don't know how consciousness came into being therefore matter. If that is the case you are admitting your argument...
  2. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    Water gets solid because of different kinetic energy of the water molecules and this is just a change in one physical state to another physical state. Nobody is arguing here that physical states cannot change into other physical states and physical properties cannot change into the other...
  3. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    Sure they can, but what I find inherently contradictory here, is they are opposing the ideas they believe in themselves e.g. A person who says he has experienced God since childhood, is praising somebody for ridiculing belief in God. I also don't understand how can remember two of his past...
  4. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    These are the same arguments that I have cited against materialism, that Hindu shastras cite. I did not make up any of these arguments, they are strongly informed by my Hindu views. We do not like materialists and condemn them as Rakshasas, Asuras and Charvakas. Hence, why Hinduism is an...
  5. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    No you are not, just said you don't believe you cease to exist at the death of the physical body, you talked about the higher reality of Shiva and Maya. You are not a materialist. And the other guy Sayak isn't either. He's just come in trying to some kind of crusader of materialists and even...
  6. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    Not sure what that has to do with how matter becomes self-aware. It does not sound convincing because that is a strawman of my arguments. I have made far more sophisticated arguments during the thread to show there are other means of knowledge to know something such as testimony, intuition...
  7. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    So you are you admitting to me your argument that you don't know how matter somehow give to consciousness is similar to the argument that we don't how and when and why the universe was created but we know it has a creator ;) Actually, there is more validity to the cosmological argument than...
  8. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    LOL Good one.
  9. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    Classical Mechanics is not a worldview or a metaphysical ontological position. It is a models of physics. It makes no ontological claims. It is physics, not metaphysics. Metaphysics makes claims to what really exists and based on what really exists certain ethical implications do follow. I was...
  10. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    I disagree, because you are making an assumption here that knowledge derived from different means of knowledge is all equally valid. I argue not so. You heard the saying "the proof is in the pudding?" Reading a description of the taste of the pudding is not equal and equivalent to tasting the...
  11. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    To add to clarify, not all my arguments were to show materialism is not true. The first two were challenging its reality, the others were challenging it on its ethical implications to show why it is an abhorrent worldview.
  12. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    Amoral and nihilistic too though Kirran, because there are no such thing as "morals" and "purposes" in PM, they are not properties of matter. Depressing, I admit, is not necessary. As materialist can simply delude themselves into thinking "life is beautiful" when hundreds of millions starve...
  13. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    So there you go you are a philosophical materialist and I have correctly identified every item you believe in. The rest of the OP is the objections I have to your worldview re illogical, narrow minded and self contradictory, cold and amoral, nihilistic and depressing. If you do not think these...
  14. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    It is not that I am not giving your post due attention, it is that I have already answered the points you have raised before. Human created moral systems are not perfect, and we see all the time criminals get away with their crimes. Recall what I said of the criminals that commit crimes, a...
  15. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    I think it is pointless debating with you, because you are not a materialist and don't speak the language of a materialist and don't believe in the same thing materialists do. I learned my lesson from debating with Sayak in the "Can Hindu be atheists thread" He spent pages defending materialism...
  16. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    What are you talking about. Philosophical materialists do exist, one person in this thread has already put his hand up to admit he is one. There are loads of people today who believe in the things PM believe consciousness is produced by the brain, feelings are just chemical reactions, no...
  17. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    I found this quote in the article you linked the most pertinent to our discussion: Bhikkhu Bodhi, an American Buddhist monk, has written: "By assigning value and spiritual ideals to private subjectivity, the materialistic world view ... threatens to undermine any secure objective foundation for...
  18. Spirit_Warrior

    anumāna vs arthāpatti

    Jayhawker Soule, as these are matters that deal with the science of epistemology(pramana shastra or Nyaya shastra) there are fewer people who are learned here in in this area. Most Hindu people, have a simple everyday understanding of Hinduism, doing your daily puja, going to temple and duties...
  19. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    Complex systems do happen. You can have a complex arrangement of atoms for example with different physical properties. However, no combinations and permutations of atoms have mental properties like morality etc. Atoms have spin, charge, mass etc not awareness, morality, knowledge, love and hate...
  20. Spirit_Warrior

    Anti-Materialism

    Who says I hate the material world? I said I hate materialism(philosophical)
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