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  1. lovemuffin

    Is pro-gay Christianity really a tenable position?

    Sure. But my point was explicitly pragmatic. I would also say that, unless you're prepared to enforce some sort of draconian totalitarianism, there is no "fixing" the root of the problem in such a way as to preclude the problem of it "rearing its ugly head" again. And I would suggest then the...
  2. lovemuffin

    Is pro-gay Christianity really a tenable position?

    Of course. But the same question still applies. Wouldn't you rather a less awful form now, even accounting for the future possibility of change, over a more awful form now that is resolute to not change? I mean I think this entire question sort of misses the point in that change is not...
  3. lovemuffin

    Is pro-gay Christianity really a tenable position?

    Isn't it ultimately a good thing if Christians change to be less misogynistic, xenophobic, anti-semitic, and etc? "Convenient" or not? Lets say we agree that reading the Bible as an entirely immutable and authoritative declaration of the ultimate will of God is untenable, absurd, and would lead...
  4. lovemuffin

    Daily Reflections

    I maintain a strong belief that everything on the internet is true.
  5. lovemuffin

    Daily Reflections

    It is likely the quote is out of context, but I would suggest Sagan is talking about very strong claims to knowledge about the non-existence of gods. That's what he means by "some definitions". He's trying to suggest a certain level of epistemic humility. As in the distinction between an atheism...
  6. lovemuffin

    Natural vs. Supernatural: Real Distinction or Made-Up Crap?

    Wikipedia and a couple online dictionaries I checked suggest a medieval latin origination of the specific term supernaturalis in scholasticism. The source listed in wikipedia (as well as for the claim of a neoplatonic influence) is here: Supernatural as a Western Category - Saler - 2009 - Ethos...
  7. lovemuffin

    Natural vs. Supernatural: Real Distinction or Made-Up Crap?

    Interesting. I wasn't aware that it was Aquinas who coined it. I'm aware of terms like "supranoetic" or "supra-essential" as descriptions of God in Pseudo-Dionysius and others, which, at least in reference to the neoplatonic influence of the authors is similar, although not equivalent.
  8. lovemuffin

    Is pro-gay Christianity really a tenable position?

    Frank, if the question is about whether there is a tenable argument for a pro-gay Christianity, then from a Catholic perspective here is what I would suggest might be the most reasonable approach: The church does not view the inerrancy or infallibility of scripture in a perfectly immutable and...
  9. lovemuffin

    Religion & Logic

    Seems like this might be a bit confusing. The "conditional" is the entire "if... then...", but not the consequent. I had to read it three times. So just in case anyone else has the same problem, legion isn't saying that "Allah is the daughter of Jesus' affair" is true because the antecedent "the...
  10. lovemuffin

    Is pro-gay Christianity really a tenable position?

    I think what Luis means is that if modern Christians can reject slavery and not feel any particular discomfort that they are doing an injustice to the Bible or to Christian tradition, than perhaps they could also accept homosexuality in the same way. It's the same point as gsa was making about...
  11. lovemuffin

    Is pro-gay Christianity really a tenable position?

    What gsa said matches my impression from what I've read. If you haven't heard of it, there's an interesting ritual that existed in Christianity that some people think seems suspiciously like gay unions called adelphopoiesis (brother making). I don't have much of an idea of how reasonable that...
  12. lovemuffin

    My signature for sale to help iti oj

    what if we hold iti for ransom until they pay up?
  13. lovemuffin

    Destroying your myth; Finding your path?

    I'm not sure if I'm wandering afield of the original topic, but maybe you'll indulge me a little. Ever since I started trying to learn Greek and discovered the phrase, I've been fascinated by "through a glass darkly". Darkly is ἐν αἰνίγματι, "en ainigmati", in enigmas. It's the only occurrence...
  14. lovemuffin

    lewisnotmiller wants to interview YOU!

    you should be on radio RF, but as a full interview imo, and not just a fake one. Although you can totally still do the fake one too. Talk to Iti oj if you're interested. P.S. Sorry for recruting in your recruitment thread dave :P
  15. lovemuffin

    Destroying your myth; Finding your path?

    it's recent in one sense (scholastic and post-enlightenment Christianity's emphasis on belief over theosis), but in another not at all, at least from what I've read. For example in the introduction to Martin Laird's Gregory of Nyssa and the Grasp of Faith, which grew out of his doctoral thesis...
  16. lovemuffin

    Religious Forums - The Game

    do want.
  17. lovemuffin

    Radio RF Discussion

    Community and Relationships: Do They Differ Online? 04/13 by Radio RF | Religion Podcasts zomg it's live. No one has any idea what they're doing! Call in and tell jokes! (646) 200-4733 or skype!
  18. lovemuffin

    What particular activity would you do with a certain member here?

    I claimed dave's voice first, I'm just saying.
  19. lovemuffin

    What particular activity would you do with a certain member here?

    Divine Liturgy with @Shiranui117 Mass with @Saint Frankenstein Visit Hindu temples with @Kirran, @StarryNightshade and @axlyz Discussion of ancient religious practice and Buddhism with @Vishvavajra, and by discussion I mean I follow him around and he has no idea what's going on Saraswati...
  20. lovemuffin

    Destroying your myth; Finding your path?

    I agree with this and it's worth quoting just to highlight it. In eastern Christianity, which tends in general to approach the religion in a more mystical and experiential way, there is an interesting understanding of belief and dogma which I think is instructive, although I also think in...
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