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  1. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    The baby has a body. It's completely separate. From conception on. Separate, developing, human being. The baby simply starts in our womb because that's how we reproduce. The baby is not part of the mother. Most of the nourishment comes from the placenta as well, not really the mother. Passing...
  2. CLee421

    How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.

    Regarding Ken Ham and his Ark Encounter ... there are some live animals there. His plan was always to create the creatures Noah had because - they would have looked different then. So you go there and you see the "first" dog that lead to all our breeds - and so on with each "kind" of animal.
  3. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    I'm just here to talk, man. If you can't handle it like a big boy then don't.
  4. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    High five for maturity
  5. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    @ADigitalArtist It's quite hilarious that you say the issue is body autonomy but we all started out dependent on our mothers. This is not a woman issue. Female babies are killed. Female babies have all their eggs they'll ever have, in the womb. So half your DNA was at one point, in a baby, in...
  6. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    And obviously I would like a commentary on the verse. There are many different commentaries by different people. It's not like I didn't try to find one when you said that but I thought you'd so kindly divulge a known source.
  7. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    I understand you're older than I am - and you've heard and seen more - but your lack of tact or self control in your messages make it less than pleasant to communicate with you. I don't believe that just because something is tradition that it is valid. First of all.. second - the...
  8. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    Rape accounts for the smallest percentage (about 2%) of abortions. Unwanted pregnancy from "wanted" sex is just revealing that we want no responsibility for our actions and we are willing to kill the baby to avoid it. Location or level of development doesn't determine personhood. Yet... people...
  9. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    What specific commentary? And based on the language of the passage. The issue is not the woman, childbirth to a premature baby is more dangerous for the baby than the mother. If anything I am more inclined to say it means if harm befalls the mother or child, because it does not specify who...
  10. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    Ectopic pregnancies were only really starting to be understood in the 1800s. Until then treatment was not feasible. Hippocrates was 450 BC yet we still use his ideas today. Using the tragedy of ectopic pregnancy (that literally cannot be successful) to argue for abortion of a healthy...
  11. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    When did you "turn into" a human??
  12. CLee421

    How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.

    Jew by blood? Practicing Jew? I am under the impression you don't believe there was a flood? You said it was a faith based claim when actually I was just saying not really I just believe .. "your people" :)
  13. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    Also regarding sentience -- Definition of sentient 1: responsive to or conscious of sense impressions sentientbeings 2: aware 3: finely sensitive in perception or feeling ... we know that babies in the womb can hear, respond to stimuli, feel pain and more. They are taking in more...
  14. CLee421

    How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.

    ...you have that right but I'm not sure what you base that on or why it's relevant.
  15. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    Why not both ;) I see your point but we also can't really verify that statement.
  16. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    It's very simple. Life is scientifically defined by certain signs. All those signs are present at conception. I named a few above. I find it humorous when people, talking in a forum, a place where free thought is the point, get accused of trying to impose things on others :rolleyes: And it...
  17. CLee421

    The Pro-Life Conspiracy

    Not everyone adheres to that belief. Science = knowledge which comes from the scientific process which requires observation. My arguments come from a place of - we can have knowledge of the beginning from the Beginner. The Cause of the beginning. So do the Jewish people. It is their book that...
  18. CLee421

    'Christian'

    @Unveiled Artist -- ""That's christianity. If god were the same in the OT as New, there would be no human sacrifice. God so didn't say to worship his son. He said through his son, worship God."" God said He would send a Seed to save mankind and that innocent blood was required to forgive sin...
  19. CLee421

    'Christian'

    Judaism may not seem to say anything about human sacrifice but Genesis says the only way to forgive sin is by innocent blood being spilled. They KNEW animal sacrifices were a covering for sin but not permanent. That's why they had to do it over and over and over. God Himself coming and spilling...
  20. CLee421

    The Bible Is True...

    Paul indeed used his dual citizenship to get places others couldn't but for a higher cause. It was normal for people to have scribes write for them as well. Paul was also not really obligated to follow Jewish religious tradition anymore after his conversion. He had a new mission.
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