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  1. Nefelie

    The Pantheistic side of the Gospels

    Why warping? Don’t forget that synoptic Christianity is what warped the original teachings in the first place. The Gnostics come first, remember? :) The Christian god is not necessarily a creator. The creation part is in the OT and Christianity just accepted it like that. Jesus on the other...
  2. Nefelie

    The Pantheistic side of the Gospels

    . Welcome to the conversation Carlita! Thank you for answering :) Since it is still not proven that Jesus really existed, it is argued that he might have been an idea, a personification of the “perfect man” as in the man that has fully understood and embraced his divinity. From that view...
  3. Nefelie

    Are you sure you are an Atheist?

    Welcome to the conversation :) This isn’t about a “new god concept”. It’s about an “old concept”. About 3 thousand years old :) Short version (to catch up) : Do you believe that there are certain natural laws that rule the universe and everything in it? Starting from your own body till whole...
  4. Nefelie

    Are you sure you are an Atheist?

    . ~~~ To Jabar ~~~ My dear, I see from your profile that you are only 15 years old. So, for starters, I’d like to congratulate you for your courage to “go against” so many well read adults here and still “holding your fort” pretty good... Meaning that you are still trying to defend your point...
  5. Nefelie

    Are you sure you are an Atheist?

    Why do we always involve the supernatural? There is no such thing as “supernatural”. Everything is just natural. God/s is no exemption. It/they can’t be. It’s illogical to be. .
  6. Nefelie

    Are you sure you are an Atheist?

    Why not? .
  7. Nefelie

    Are you sure you are an Atheist?

    Orpheus said so. And he was gods' favorite. Is that good enough for you? .
  8. Nefelie

    Are you sure you are an Atheist?

    Thank you :) We did start a debate somewhere on page 2 or 3. I don’t know what happened and we stopped... Anyway, I do believe you are an atheist, when talking about god with the popular western perspective of what is “god”. Under that definition, I’m also an atheist. But, if we step away...
  9. Nefelie

    The Pantheistic side of the Gospels

    For several years I have studied the Gospels (the NT Gospels and the Gnostic ones) and the more I study them, the more I conclude that they are very much Pantheistic and Panentheistic. Here are some examples from the NT Gospels: <<…Jesus answered, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you...
  10. Nefelie

    Are you sure you are an Atheist?

    Oh, right! Sorry! :D
  11. Nefelie

    Are you sure you are an Atheist?

    :tearsofjoy::clapping:
  12. Nefelie

    Are you sure you are an Atheist?

    Ahhh... The Orphic egg :) Love that story! Thanks for mentioning it :thumbsup:
  13. Nefelie

    Are you sure you are an Atheist?

    The Bible disagrees. The Sutras tell another story and the Bedes have their own view point. Orphism and Hesiod have a whole different argument (even amongst them) and the Book of the Dead disagrees with all the above. And soooo many more holy books with their own stories... ALL claiming to be...
  14. Nefelie

    Are you sure you are an Atheist?

    Says who? ...And please do not quote the Qur’an to answer, as this will not be proof. Just a bit off topic: Superstitions did serve a purpose among simple people for many centuries: prevention. For example: shoes on the table = dirt/bacteria where you eat = illness. Another example: passing...
  15. Nefelie

    Pantheists everywhere, unite! :)

    Ahh... The most ancient feeling :) I was just writting about that in the other thread ( here ) :) .
  16. Nefelie

    Are you sure you are an Atheist?

    OK, but I’m defending Pantheism :p It’s interesting up to the point that our own senses can be misleading. Same as the fact that if you are smelling chocolate while eating a steak, you will think that you are eating chocolate. So, yes, we are back to subjectivity. << Two men where watching a...
  17. Nefelie

    Pantheists everywhere, unite! :)

    Hahaha! Excellent point! :) Yes, it was! I’ve been trying to feel it again, via meditation, but I still haven’t got that close. But I’m not giving up! :D .
  18. Nefelie

    Pantheists everywhere, unite! :)

    I was interested in theology for as long as I can remember. My parents were both atheists, but my father was very much willing to talk religions with me and encouraged me to find what I believe on my own. He was always very subjective when we where talking about religions and never once tried to...
  19. Nefelie

    Do you call yourself a 'Panentheist'?

    I'm preparing a new thread on that subject. I'll have all the passages that I consider pantheistic, for us to talk about ;)
  20. Nefelie

    Do you call yourself a 'Panentheist'?

    Usually, when I say “I’m a Pantheist” people understand “Polytheist” and that really annoys me. So, after many “experiments” I decided that the best thing to say is “non-religious theist”. Most people understand it and, if they find it interesting, they ask me for more details, so... problem...
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