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  1. serp777

    Christians who reject the old testament and slavery

    It doesn't mean its immoral either. So i guess its morally neutral then since the bible has no position one way or another for non Hebrews. Also is it still right today for Hebrews to enslave other people? Would that be moral? It also means the bible is a worthless moral guide and you're...
  2. serp777

    Christians who reject the old testament and slavery

    False. There's a loophole where a master can give their slave a wife, and if the slave wants to stay with his wife and kids he must get his ear pierced and submit to the town saying "I love my master", and then he will be a slave for life. Furthermore this is irrelevant. Enslaving anyone is...
  3. serp777

    Why are children valued more than adults?

    In the United States and Europe
  4. serp777

    Christians who reject the old testament and slavery

    I never said the bible or God invested slavery. The law spelled out in exodus is quite clear. Furthermore Jesus clearly tells slaves to obey their masters. " “Now these are the he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. 3 If he comes in single, he shall go...
  5. serp777

    Christians who reject the old testament and slavery

    I never said the bible or God invested slavery. The law spelled out in exodus is quite clear. Furthermore Jesus clearly tells slaves to obey their masters. " “Now these are the he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. 3 If he comes in single, he shall go...
  6. serp777

    Christians who reject the old testament and slavery

    No duh, I obviously have no magical powers to make you justify it. But coming here to post some links like you made a great contribution is kind of ridiculous. Its also well documented how bad Christian apologetics are surrounding slavery, and that if you were to take your book to its logical...
  7. serp777

    Christians who reject the old testament and slavery

    SO moral relativism. Morality depends on culture and time. In some cultures rape might be right and moral instead of murder because it would be better than murdering all of the women instead. Ridiculous. Also then the bible and Quran are worthless then. They can't teach us anything because they...
  8. serp777

    Christians who reject the old testament and slavery

    So moral relativism--things can be moral depending on the time and culture. Also then you've exposed a contradiction. Exodus 21 and Leviticus 25 absolutely contradict Genesis in this case. Also just because enslaving God's messenger was immoral doesn't mean that all slavery is immoral in the...
  9. serp777

    Christians who reject the old testament and slavery

    Slavery is absolutely justified in the new testament. Jesus said to keep the commandments and for slaves to "obey their masters". Both the new and old testament are consistent on slavery.
  10. serp777

    Christians who reject the old testament and slavery

    So leviticus 21 and exodus 25 are totally correct. Its also accurate when Jesus told slaves to obey their masters and keep the commandments. Actually he said the most important part of salvation was to keep the commandments. You've either shown a serious contradiction in Jesus' teachings or...
  11. serp777

    Christians who reject the old testament and slavery

    This isn't a justification.
  12. serp777

    Christians who reject the old testament and slavery

    Thats just an ad hoc post rationalization. If this is the case the bible is morally interior and no one should listen to it. You're also proposing moral relativism and that morals depend on time and culture. I think thats false. Slavery was always wrong. Also how do you determine which parts of...
  13. serp777

    What do you think about a recent proposal to let addicts die of overdoses?

    Not on one overdose, but repeated overdoses (like 10-15 times) is getting close to that in total. Ambulences are very expensive and most of these overdosing people don't pay. Many of them go to a hospital for supervision and are put in contact with counsellors and the police. Thats a lot of...
  14. serp777

    What do you think about a recent proposal to let addicts die of overdoses?

    Premise: There's a set of people who are first time overdosers who can benefit from rehabilitation, and there's another set of people who will not benefit from it. This is a true dichotomy. So you start rehabilitating all people at this first stage (the first overdose). Some people never...
  15. serp777

    Christians who reject the old testament and slavery

    I've never understood why Christians will reject the old testament and pretend to be reasonable, even though its essential for establishing the prophecies and origins surrounding Jesus. It sets up the entire context for Jesus, and Jesus references the old testament on numerous occasions...
  16. serp777

    What do you think about a recent proposal to let addicts die of overdoses?

    I agree, but what can you do about people like that? Its best to instead spend the resources on people who can be saved. People who can integrate back with society. And as terrible as it is his suffering will end by his own hand. How many times and how much money will you spend saving him? He...
  17. serp777

    What do you think about a recent proposal to let addicts die of overdoses?

    if they are repeat overdosers then they are unwilling or unable to utilize rehabilitation. I agree we should help addicts, but I'd say lets distribute the resources to people who can be saved--first time overdosers. Lets improve rehabilitation and expand it since they're going to be the best...
  18. serp777

    What do you think about a recent proposal to let addicts die of overdoses?

    I have considered it, but I don't believe I am because i've given a rational justification for this position from a utilitarian point of view. I'm happy to be demonstrated that i'm ignorant and foolish, but I won't be convinced by a wise quote. I also think my point remains that even if some...
  19. serp777

    What do you think about a recent proposal to let addicts die of overdoses?

    Would you rather spend millions repeatedly saving a person from an overdose who will probably die anyways or use that money to save and helps dozens of others? Its a question of resource distribution and if you truly have compassion you'll want to distribute it to benefit the most people. I...
  20. serp777

    What do you think about a recent proposal to let addicts die of overdoses?

    Why wouldn't it help society in the end? We know that rehabilitation works quite effectively. But repeat offenders clearly are unwilling or unable to utilize rehabilitation. So if we put more resources towards rehabilitation for first time overdosers, we can save more people overall--repeat...
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