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  1. Sundance

    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    Regarding the accusation of semantics games, it’s unfounded. It’s common knowledge that Jews claim that Jesus is a false messiah claimant, a false prophet, as He doesn’t fulfill their Messianic expectations. Regarding my intentions, my intentions are clear: to call into question the use of the...
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    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    Again, any difference of understanding poses no problem for me. What does is saying that someone is not telling the truth about who they are simply because of criterion they do not apply to themselves in the first place. Rabbinic Jews say “Jesus is a false messiah claimant because he didn’t do...
  3. Sundance

    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    Once again, the accusation of lying is implied by the use of the word false. It’s this simple.
  4. Sundance

    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    He didn’t have to claim it Himself. He knew it already. Peter’s confession? John’s baptism? The uncertainty of His Disciples is factual. Yet, it segues into what my point is. Religious Jews today say Jesus is a false Messiah, a false prophet. How? Because of things He never claims about...
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    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    Indeed, Audie. I do admit, there tends to be a rather fiery tone in my style of debate. However, I do maintain that the claim that Jesus is a “false Messiah” implies that Jesus is lying about something, as the word false itself does. To accuse someone of lying, especially when there isn’t...
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    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    Indeed, dear Ken. All of what you speak is true.
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    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    Again, that comes from their own expectation that He was (because Jews back then were hoping for a warrior-like king who would redeem them from oppression), not anything that Jesus Himself is recorded as having said.
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    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    No, I’m not, but I suppose I may have to plead the Fifth here.
  9. Sundance

    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    Again, they didn’t understand what He was ACTUALLY talking about.
  10. Sundance

    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    There was no one existing conception of the Messiah, LC. Though, you can say that His understanding of the concept was idiosyncratic.
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    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    Without going into this particular discussion, I’m going to say, the Apostolic Writings are what we have available regarding the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.
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    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    Again, it is. Because of the fact that their view of the Messiah is very different from His view of the Messiah. I think it’s absolutely fine to have different conceptions of things. What I’m not fond of, however, is superimposing one’s own conception of something onto something else that is...
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    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    There were different conceptions of who the Messiah was and what He was expected to do. I suppose that’s true. However, that’s not based on what He actually claims, but rather their own expectations.
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    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    Again, you missed the point, LC. Religious Jews today and Jesus then have very different conceptions of who the Messiah is and what He’s going to do. To claim that someone is false is to call them a liar. Not only that, it’s a misrepresentation of what He DOES say. I ask, once again...
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    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    I have a feeling, though I do invite an explanation. I’m not always adept at deciphering what people mean in particular when they say certain things.
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    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    The Tanakh never clearly established who the Messiah will be or what He will do. All of the verses debated between Jews and Christians have nothing to do with the Messiah Himself. At the most, they’re historically prophetic; they don’t deal with a human figure. Regarding the analogy of a...
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    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    Perhaps, dear Audie.
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    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    Because I’m addressing a claiming that Jewish people make. People in non-Jewish religions, usually speaking, don’t care about any Messiah. It doesn’t apply to them.
  19. Sundance

    Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

    Examining His life, I have often encountered the claim that because Jesus of Nazareth doesn’t fulfill certain prophecies, He’s not the Messiah. My response? From one perspective, that’s true. He was certainly a different kind of figure than people were hoping for. You would be right. Yet, I...
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    In Short - The Noachide/7 Mitvahs an explaination

    As to who Jonah was, we only know that he is named as the father of Peter. Regarding whether Peter’s family had continued in the path, again, we do not know. We don’t know whether Peter had children. We do know that he was married, however. None of the other Apostles had been married. In fact...
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