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  1. Sundance

    POLL FOR CHRISTIANS

    As for me, if I can ask a person who they believe Jesus of Nazareth to be, and they reply in this way: The Christ, The Son of God, Son of Man, Savior of The World, Crucified and Risen Lord, these same are my brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus, regardless of the denomination.
  2. Sundance

    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    I honor this. This reflects like a perfect mirror how I feel towards Jesus. You know, @Trailblazer, I sincerely apologize for my arrogance towards your religion. I think you Bahá’ís are doing groovy things in this world, and I’m not hateful towards you or Bahá’u’lláh at all. I recant all my...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    :p:p:p:p:cool: Not from what I myself am aware of. Though, others more knowledgeable than myself (actually in this very thread a few pages) give sources relating to the Crucifixion. Generally, NT historians, whether religious or secular, concur that these are the two events in Jesus’s life...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    @Trailblazer Since we’re talking about who individuals claim themselves to be and whether or not what they say is important, let’s talk about Bahá’u’lláh. He claims to be the Promised One of all religions, right? Do you accept His Claim? On what basis? Do you feel as though this is...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Firstly, regardless of what we can know for certain (and there isn’t much historically past the Crucifixion and Jesus’s Baptism), we know what is recorded. Secondly, we know from the context of the events which follow that Jesus meant His Body was going to be raised. C’mon, you can’t be...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Christians believe this because that is exactly what the New Testament teaches, and nothing else. Claiming that it teaches anything else is wrong. Plain wrong. Like Hare Krishnas, they are not going to say that the Bhagavad Gita doesn’t teach reincarnation. It clearly does. Like with the...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    I agree somewhat. Some things in the New Testament are unclear (some of what happens in the Book of Revelation comes to mind). However, certain other things (the Crucifixion and bodily Resurrection of the Lord Jesus) are quite clearly elucidated. No fancy interpretation is required, as what...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Madam, you just had an argument, going back and forth with me, about what the New Testament itself actually teaches trying to selectively pull verses from it in proving your opinion, not merely what you or I believe to have happened. To me, that sounds like trying to twist it. It is very dishonest.
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    People communicate truth and wisdom through storytelling all the time. That’s the way it’s always been. Whether in religion, through music, dance, art or film. If it is only a fictional story, who cares? It’s still a very beautiful and timeless story. It’s been told the very same way for the...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    I see. Well then, let’s just stick with what the Scriptures say, shall we? The New Testament is plain and evident regarding what it teaches about Jesus. According to it, He claims to be the Son of God, Son of Man, Jewish Messiah, crucified and bodily resurrected. That simple. You’re free to...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    As I said in my OP, any person who has any belief about Jesus is fine, insofar as they don’t try to twist what the New Testament says.
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Regardless, if you believe that they were fictional stories, they are still told as having occurred bodily, not through any other means.
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    It is absolutely evident in the New Testament that it is the same Jesus will return. It’s the same Jesus who was crucified and resurrected. If you are of any doubt, ask yourself this question: why would Jesus Christ send another human being to guide people to the truth of who He is, and have...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    @VoidoftheSun Also, from what I’ve read, there was another group of Early Christians called ‘Nazarenes’, who were similar to the Ebionites in that they observed Jewish laws in full, but unlike them, they had later accepted the divinity of Jesus and His Virgin Birth.
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    While I do think that time has had its way regarding Christianity and its later divergences from Judaism, especially normative Judaism which is based on the Pharisees’ interpretation of the Bible, to say that the movement called ‘Messianic Judaism’ is entirely distinct from early Jewish...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    I would agree with this assertion in one sense, but I would disagree in another, especially regarding how it ties into early Christianity.
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    I know a bit about who they were and what they taught. Admittedly, I’m not too educated about them.
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    That certain Christians doubt the Resurrection, that is true. The Apostle Paul even spoke directly to this. That the Bible and the vast majority of Christians throughout history testify to the Bodily Resurrection of Christ Jesus is plain and evident. If you want to deny the Gospel, you are...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    How did I know you were going to bring up Ebionites? Let’s re-establish this. Native-born Jews made up Jesus’s first believers, that is true. Some believers held to a belief that Jesus was a human prophet. (Even Scripture attests to the fact that some people saw Jesus as being merely a...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    The Crucifixion and Resurrection are tied together inherently. Every Christian knows this, and will boast on this. “Jesus is alive! He has risen from the dead, just as He said!”, they will say boldly. And THIS is the Gospel! Actually, there are many, many, many Christian websites which deal...
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