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  1. Sundance

    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    What Does the Bible Say About Jesus Return?
  2. Sundance

    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    @Trailblazer There were always certain individuals within Church history who sought to divert people’s hearts and minds. These people were called heretics. Over time, these people had passed on, their heresies dying with them, but the truth of the Christian Faith had moved on. So, I give...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Honestly, I believe that your interpretation of Scripture is convoluted enough to be facetious. Physical bodies do not go up to Heaven. Scientifically speaking, this is true. However, scientifically speaking, there is no evidence for the existence of anything relating to the supernatural in...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    As to the Book of Revelation, I don’t necessarily read it literally, as it is described as a vision with a historical context, so I read it thusly. As to the Crucifixion and Resurrection of the Lord, they are described as being bodily, so I read it thusly. As to the New Testament in general...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Ahhh I see. From what it would appear to me, though, it seems as though the understanding of Liberal Christians are rooted not in what the New Testament itself teaches, but rather the conjectures of science, which question the notion that there is life after death at all. As to the Apostle...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    A new revelation from God from a person who boldly proclaimed himself to be the fulfillment of the prophecies of every major religion, some of which contradict each other irreconcilably? Including Christ Returned in His Body? Ha! Surely, you’re pulling my leg, madam. As to the person who...
  7. Sundance

    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Madam, again, I plead with you: rid yourself of your deception. The New Testament is blunt: “If any man or even an angel from Heaven comes to you and preaches a gospel other than the one you have received, let him be accursed!” Your teachers, in denying the Bodily Resurrection of the Lord...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    He does say that we will see Him. Every single reference to the Son of Man is a reference ONLY to Himself, never another. Even your prophet refers to Jesus as the Son of Man! Again, the Comforter is the Holy Spirit, not another person. (See the book of The Acts of The Apostles chapters 1 and...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Madam, I find that your interpretation requires much in the way of mental gymnastics regarding Scripture. In the book of Revelation, as you are aware, the subject is Jesus...all the way through. In that verse, He speaks of His New Name (that no person will know). The Name that belongs to Him...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Madam, Jesus was referring to Himself whenever He used the phrase ‘Son of Man’, not another. He uses the phrase more than He does use the phrase ‘Son of God’, although He does use this phrase as well. He didn’t foretell that another man would come, but the Holy Spirit, Who had descended upon...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    This is not why he was accused of blasphemy. I mean, Jesus did those things with His Teachings, but, again, my question is why would He have been accused of blasphemy through His use of the phrase ‘Son of God’ unless He was claiming some kind of divinity for Himself? You are correct here. The...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    In the case of Jesus’s use of the phrase ‘Son of God’ in reference to Himself, it is abundantly clear that He meant to assert for Himself something more than merely ‘an intimate relationship with God’, which is what this particular phrase typically serves to signify (you are correct here). If...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    I know this. I explicitly speak to this in another post of mine. Jesus was quite layered (so to speak) in His use of the phrase ‘Son of God’ and also ‘Son of Man’.
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Indeed, there was oral tradition in the early church. However, there were also the Apostles of Jesus who went around teaching.
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    I’m not sure that everything in the Bible is meant to be read literally, as some of it is, indeed, poetic or prophetic. The Bible in general is a product of its cultural, religious, and historical context, so it’s important to evaluate it with this in mind. However, with this said, there are...
  16. Sundance

    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    He does tell us that He Himself will return. Many times, speaking of Himself as the Son of Man, he says (to paraphrase), “You will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of power, coming in the clouds with angels.” In the book of Acts (1:11), after the Ascension, two men (really, they were...
  17. Sundance

    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Madam, the Scriptures themselves speak plainly of the truth of the matter. The New Testament clearly establishes Jesus as these things. For brevity’s sake, I will use either one or two verses. Son of God: John 3:16-18 Son of Man: Matthew 24:30, Mark 14:62 King: That very verse you quoted...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Ahhhhh but what does it mean to believe in Christ, as the New Testament teaches crucially (no pun intended)? Jesus says it plainly and forcefully, “Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” Who is He? Simple. The only begotten Son of God, the Son of Man who sits at the right...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Regardless of the particular variances, in either case, you would be identifying Jesus as equal with God. Period. Hence why certain people wanted to stone Him for blasphemy in the Scriptures. Do you recall? As to the phrase “son of God”, you are partially right. The phrase is used throughout...
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    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    I see. Concerning the Resurrection, I absolutely agree with you, OB. There’s no extra-biblical evidence for it. However, it is plainly evident that the New Testament teaches about a bodily resurrection. To say that it teaches anything else is dishonest, as I have been saying. I have no problem...
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