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  1. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    Even if Paul stated "brother of Jesus" scholars would no doubt question the validity of that line because of everything else Paul and the other epistle writers state that contradicts such a notion. It would be considered an interpolation, and a stupid one at that.
  2. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    The problem with Jesus is historical arguments is that they are based on the assumption that the gospels are reliable histories, they assume what they are trying to prove. Price is aware of this and does not apply the circular reasoning.
  3. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    They are copies of copies, and copies were known to be altered for religious/political purposes.
  4. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    I agree, it's a story of good vs evil, an all time classic, and a template for a hero storyline we see used in Westerns all the time.
  5. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    Based on the fact that you are the only one that insists that brother of the Lord can only be interpreted this one way, and the only one to ignore that we find this in a religious context, and the only one to ignore the hundred times or more that brother means 'fellow believer' within these...
  6. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    Apply your translation/edition of Blass & Debrunner to "seed of Israel," or "in the flesh," or "angel of the Lord." What do you get?
  7. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    Aren't Biblical scholars believing Jews and Christians for the most part, are they not biased in that they look for what they already believe is there?
  8. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    In context it makes no sense for James to be a literal brother as in sibling because Paul declares that he received his information from no man. It's inconceivable that he would not have picked James' brain for information of this Jesus if he was a brother or had actually met him.
  9. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    It says it, you believe it, that settles it.
  10. dogsgod

    Why the Atheists Always Lose to Good Theist Debaters

    God does exist, as a belief. Beyond that I can't be bothered to argue anymore except to say that the behavior of those that do hold a believe in God are being observed by scientists, so You better watch out You better not cry Better not pout I'm telling you why... He's making a list...
  11. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    The historical Jesus extraction from the gospel story as Oberon describes it is analogous to skipping a stone across the water, it touches down to say we can know Jesus was baptized, goes up over some magic parts and touches down to say he was a Jewish itinerant preacher/teacher/miracle worker...
  12. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    People try. I can understand trying to see an historical Jesus and there may be one within the gospel story but he's far from obvious, and the one that the epistle writings tell of is almost certainly non existent from what I can gather.
  13. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    The literal Jesus can't possibly be historical because He defies the laws of physics, but many many truly do believe God's Son came down to earth and sacrificed himself in order to save us all, or at least all that believe. It's hardly a stretch to consider that just as many tone down the...
  14. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    I don't know what point you are making by Robert M. Price being a Christian and at the same time not seeing Jesus Christ as historical. I don't see a problem with that, neither did Paul, Peter, James, et al we read of in the epistles. The literal Jesus can't possibly be historical because He...
  15. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    There's a lot of idiocy out there, but then, that's your opinion. "Earlier scholars (e.g., John Wick Bowman), as many today (e.g., J. Duncan M. Derrett), saw gospel echoes of the ancient scriptures in secondary coloring here or redactional juxtaposition of traditional Jesus stories there. But...
  16. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    I was referring to Robert M Price, John Dominic Crossan and Randel Helms. New Testament Narrative as Old Testament Midrash Robert M. Price The line is thin between extrapolating new meanings from ancient scriptures (borrowing the authority of the old) and actually composing new scripture...
  17. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    OK, but he loved zatziki with his vegetables and sardines.
  18. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    The works are Jewish mythology written for theological/political purposes, the genre is gospel. I've tried to explain how these theological works were put together such as Crossan, Price, Helms, etc. pointing out that every single line from the passion narrative alludes to the OT as well as most...
  19. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    With zatziki.
  20. dogsgod

    did jesus exist?

    We don't have a non exaggerated story of any kind to compare it to so it's meaningless to say it's exaggerated. It is what it is, mythology, fiction.
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