Hi Smoke,
Yeah, no proof. The economy stumbles along. LBJ in a nod to the deceased Kennedy passes his tax cut package and the economy grows like gangbusters and this just happens to coincide with a slight reduction of poverty. Keep your head in the sand. Smoke, you are way too smart to...
Hi mball,
And this is the crux of the issue. What would you propose we do to help the welfare system that fails millions of people on a daily basis?
Would you make the broken system even bigger?
I see little in this discussion about what liberals (or whatever you call yourselves...
Since Climategate broke a couple of weeks ago none of the major networks have covered it in their broadcasts (NBC, CBS, ABC), unless they have covered it in the last day or so.
It makes sense that NBC won't give their viewers the news regarding Climategate, GE owns NBC and is set to get...
Hi Sunstone,
For the sake of raising a child with two parents. Yes. It's called sacrifice and not always thinking about yourself.
So, the 25% of teens with an STD is a product of what now?
Hi TAL,
Do you have an actual example of this ever happening? I wouldn't even know how a private company could create a bubble. Bubbles are created by government banks playing around with the monetary policy (tinkering with interest rates).
For example, was the housing bubble created by a...
Hi Quagmire,
If I was being so ambiguous then why was everyone accusing me of wanting to scrap the entire welfare system? Quagmire, you are better than this. The reality is I wasn't being ambiguous at all. I was using Michael's story to demonstrate the catastrophic failure of our welfare...
Hi Mestemia,
Now you are grasping at straws. I quoted specific evidence of the actual poverty rates over the past 50 years to illustrate how poverty hasn't been reduced in any significant way with the advent of our billion dollar welfare system. Then I pointed out specific places (inner...
Hi mball,
Look at what happens when we teach them how to have 'safe' sex. 25% of teens get STDs. Is this a good social outcome?
It looks like in that crazy backward time teens got a lot less STDs. I think, maybe, they knew what they were doing and maybe now that we are so enlightened...
Hi Smoke,
Well of course you know where a conservative goes from here. First, the families should be informing their children about their values concerning sexual behavior. For those children that do not have strong family support systems I would advocate that the schools teach that...
Hi Dirty,
I understand your point, but their individual actions are informed by something, right? I would say, if it is not the sex education it is the culture at large telling them that promiscuous behavior is okay and here is how you can be 'safe' doing it.
And 25% of teens having an STD...
Hi mball,
What I am disputing is that it is more of a Republican trait. Obama is giving corporations billions via his stimulus package. And this is the biggest stimulus bill in our history. So, it looks like Obama, a Democrat is giving corporations more money that any president ever...
Hi Mestemia,
No, I think you are posing a silly question that impossible to find out on an epistemological level. That is why I posted the poverty rates. Poverty is something we can measure. Finding out who has been 'helped' and 'not helped' by our current welfare system is question close...
Hi Quagmire,
You would be wrong. I believe there is nothing wrong with self-interest. You are the one who took the cheap shot and got personal as we were discussing the effectiveness or lack thereof of our welfare system.
You couldn't or wouldn't discuss the merits and demerits of our...
Hi Alceste,
I think his grandmother had more to do with that.
I am wondering if you ever look at the results of government welfare programs. Since you brought up single-mindedness.
Conservatives and libertarians can never point out the results of these programs. When we do, our...
Hi Mestemia,
Nice rhetorical move. The answer to your question is most likely impossible to ascertain (you win, yippy!). Pose a question that nobody can answer and then take the high road. I did post the poverty rates for the past 50 years. Smoke and I are discussing the actual policies...
Hi mball,
I think this is an understatement. For millions the welfare system isn't flawed it is useless and completely ineffective.
No, I'm pointing you to places where the system is useless and completely ineffective. It is not just flawed in these locales, it is failing. And your...
Hi Smoke,
I would say that Kennedy's tax cuts had a more beneficial impact at alleviating poverty than LBJ's billion (and now trillion) dollar entitlement programs of the Great Society. After the Kennedy tax cut was passed the economy grew and unemployment fell. I would say that is...