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  1. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Of course! We should have traded "man's authority" for the authority of Jerry Myers and the Bahaullah! Why did Christians jump the gun (or bow) when they could have simply waited a few hundred years for "the truth"? Well, Jerry Myers is also a man! You thought I am a prophet of God...
  2. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Getting a book does not require a preacher, but you have to do what is fair for you Jerry Myers. If you had studied the Trinity, you would know the difference between the Trinity and Modalistic monarchianism and I would not have had to explain the difference here. Yes, if you had...
  3. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: The onus is ALWAYS on the poster to show sufficient evidence to support their statement. I haven't seen any such evidence. Neither have I seen any evidence from you that Jesus preached the trinity in his lifetime on earth. Can you or can’t you?? Oeste said: The greater the claim...
  4. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Get a good, reputable book on the Trinity. I think you've read a bit too much on the internet. Sure. I will get a ‘good’ book on the trinity when you can show me from the scripture Jesus preached the trinity in his lifetime on earth. Fair? Oeste said: What on earth does your...
  5. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Ah! This is where you got confused. As you stated, this thread is "Jesus is not God" and not "Jesus is God". So the onus is on the OP to show or evidence this, not on Trinitarians to disprove it. The title is a statement for discussion, NOT an accusation, so the onus is on both the...
  6. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Divisible??! Where on earth did you read this? On the internet?? Each person is FULLY God. There is no "division" in the Trinity. No division in the trinity??! Where on earth did you read this? You are told so?? On the internet?? Then again, even the internet will tell you any term...
  7. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Everything you need to know is right there in Isaiah 43:11. "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." Deu 6:4 Sure. What you can learn from Isaiah 43:11 and Deut. 6:4 is that God Almighty is the INDIVISIBLE ABSOLUTE ONE GOD!! Unfortunately, Trinitarians think the One and Only...
  8. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Dimi95 said: Jesus claims to be God in each Gospel multiple,multiple times.. Oeste said: Hi @Dimi95! Absolutely correct! My "Agreed!" was extremely limited and myopic and I should have clarified. Maybe one of you wants to quote those passages where ‘Jesus claims to be God in each Gospel...
  9. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Yes, the accusation was blasphemy. As the Jews saw it, the charge was warranted: “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” John 10:33 Yes, the accusation was blasphemy because to claim oneself as God is...
  10. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Agreed! Great! So you agreed Jesus never claimed he is God, but it was the Jews who made that claim that he claimed to be God. Oeste said: But I’m not claiming Jesus stated he was God here. Neither am I claiming Jesus is denying he’s God as you are. I’m stating Jesus neither...
  11. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: I think you are confused here – it is you who declare your dogma above the Words of God Almighty. I stand by, and will defend God Alm How do you defend God Almighty?? By claiming Jesus is the only true God and true Savior when God Almighty has already declared, ‘“I am the LORD, and...
  12. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Read the narrative JerryMyers. The Jews had already picked up stones because they thought he had blasphemed. Telling them "Hey, you're absolutely right about me" would only have sent those stones whirling at his head!! This is ancient Israel, not modern day America. The Jews are only...
  13. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Then it's a good thing Trinitarians don't contradict scripture from the OT, but use the NT to reveal the Old. The NT did not (and need not) reveal anything about the OT in the NT, as the OT is already comprehensible as it is. What the authors/translators did is use the OT as a...
  14. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Well we totally disagree on this. Not only would we disagree with you, but the Jews who were there with Jesus would disagree as well. Also, if you check the narrative, Jesus never told the Jews they were wrong or mistaken. He simply explained why he had not blasphemed. Strawman! If...
  15. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Trinitarians have only ONE God. If you have a reputable source that says otherwise, feel free to post it here. Well, a ‘3-in-1’ God (the trinity) is NOT ONE God, it’s a one-TEAM God, NOT ONE God, just like any game that needs more than one player on each side. ONE God means He’s the...
  16. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: As Augustine rather famously said: “The new is in the old concealed; the old is in the new revealed” The Old Testament is Foundational as it establishes basic principles illustrated in the New Testament. The New Testament is Complementary to the Old Testament as it builds on the...
  17. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Your response is illogical. NOWHERE is "God Almighty" mentioned here, let alone any "judging". You assured us the Son of God is not God, remember? So this should be very easy to complete: 1. The only begotten Son of Frog is Frog. 2. The only begotten Son of Dog is Dog. 3. The only...
  18. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: We've already discussed this. It's right there in Hebrews 1:8: But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. Sorry, but Hebrew 1:8 is no more and no less inspired than Psalm 45. You know you...
  19. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: Interesting. Who is this "We" besides yourself? I doubt it includes cataway, as she is a JW, and here understanding of Jesus is distinctly different from your own. Virtually all Christian groups accept the fact that Jesus is God, they just understand how he is God in different ways...
  20. JerryMyers

    Jesus is not God

    Oeste said: The Father is speaking in the first person here. He says the Son is God. No, He did not say that. Can you show me where in the whole Bible did God say' the Son is God'?? Oeste said: Then we are right back to where we started, concerning the veracity of Scripture, and whether...
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