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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    fair point, but why is it that some scriptures say that it is God that will give the spirit? or impart/pour out?
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    I have read it and i thought that that scripture you used actually backs my point. that's why i quoted it again. you see, it says that they were filled with holy spirit and began speaking in tongues. they recieved the gift of the spirit. just like other ones have recieved the holy spirit that...
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    Got a few more scriptures... John 20:22* When Jesus had said this, He breathed on them. He said, 'Receive the Holy Spirit Acts 2:4,17,33 They were all filled with the Holy Spirit. Then they began to speak in other languages which the Holy Spirit made them able to speak. 17 In the last...
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    mmm....me too.....
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    Ok, ok, i can see this going on till armageddon. i'm not convinced and neither are you. i guess it'll all come out in the wash. i still have more questions etc, etc, and it can and will go on and on. so, if anyone wants to continue, go for it. i may even chip in now and then... 1 Timothy 6:3-5
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    i asked that question as a way of clarifying a point i thought someone else was making. i just wanted to know what exactly they meant. by the way, on your last sentence, and it's been brought out by some one else too, the creeds of the councils have done much to distance people from Bible and...
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    just as i thought....it's a 'mystery'....obviously then a trinity wasn't something Jesus said when he said '... We do know what we are worshiping [we worship what we have knowledge of and understand],...(John 4:22) Do you really know the God you worship? What!?!??! AAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!! I'm...
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    one more question. do trinitarians believe that the father isn't God, Jesus isn't God, and the Holy Spirit isn't God. None of them in themselves, but that they altogether make up God?
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    Did Jesus Ever Ask To Worship Him?

    Well said!
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    So how is he the same person then?!?!!?
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    I know, that is what i said. I wouldn't call it evasion, ore reasoning from the scriptures..anyhoo, in answer to your question, they can't. that is the exact question i ask a trinitarian. i say that it makes no sense for someone to be 'with' someone and then actually 'be' that someone at the...
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    No one is condemned to hell as it doesn't exist, but that's another thread. and there is nowhere that says you must believe the trinity, but you must know who God is. he exacts exclusive devotion, don't forget. And he is a jealous God. And it's the doing of God's will that's important, not...
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    Lets look at that scripture shall we? Look at the context! 5Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[a] 6who, though he was in the form of God*, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant,[b] being...
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    I can't remember why i didn't finish that one. I probably got into another thread and forgot about it. But anyway. to your question. It's up to you mate. Like you know, i could go on till the cows come home. the thing is, both sides of the argument are convinced they are right and no matter how...
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    uhm...don't kill me now, but i'm sorry, no it hasn't. in fact i got some more... and as far as the scriptures he used, i'm not sure what he's trying to say/prove. if anything, those scriptures disprove the trinity. you see, i've read many different explanations on the trinity, how it's like a...
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    ah...sorry about the missunderstanding. one point tho. where you say 'This is the problem you get when you throw out all of the non-Scriptural Tradition of the Church.', it made me think of the warnings about the apostacy that was to set in, warned of by Jesus and the apostles. they said that it...
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    Why the difference?

    mmm....good point. i mean take us for example. if someone were to follow me around for a year and write down all the ways i acted, i'm sure it'll show different sides of me. it would be accurate too. thanks...
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    So, when Jesus said that everlasting life means taking in knowledge of God and the one whom he sent forth, he meant any amount or form of knowledge...it doesn't matter exactly what you believe, as long as you have a bit of knowledge that there is a God etc, then that'll do? how could we possibly...
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    Hands up who believes in the Trinity!

    Good questions, and i will get back to you on them when i get the time. that's not a cop out, by the way. but one thing i will say to one of the questions, just off the top of my head, the one in John 21:17. it seems to me that Peter was simply saying in answer to Jesus' repeated questions that...
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