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  1. jaybird

    the bible canon

    1. the Jews accepted them, the pharisees, the enemies of Jesus, John, and the 12, rejected them. 2.the Jews 300 years before Jesus accepted them and included them in the LXX 300 years after Jesus, at nicaea these books are once again accepted as scripture. what does this tell us. before Jesus...
  2. jaybird

    the bible canon

    sorry BB but that is exactly how they are chosen to be canon. they didnt make up the books, but it was men that decide which are canon.
  3. jaybird

    the bible canon

    sorry but your in error, there were plenty of abuses going on at all times, i listed the more extreme to show the fruits of their results.i dont think the Spirit leads a group to kill women and children.
  4. jaybird

    the bible canon

    when you have a thousands of different churches teaching a thousand different doctrines and several contradicting each other and at the same time all sides are claiming to be lead by the spirit, something does not add up. when Jesus said He was sending the Spirit of truth, i dont think it was...
  5. jaybird

    the bible canon

    was the spirit with these councils when they agreed with the crusades, made bibles written in Latin that common people could not read and when they killed entire villages that included women, children and people of their own faith? when Jesus uses teachings that can be found no where else but...
  6. jaybird

    the bible canon

    rejecting any apocrypha book based on the fact its not canon is putting your faith in man made councils and not the Spirit.
  7. jaybird

    the bible canon

    the people back then didnt need a council of men to tell them if its canon. your dodging the point. all this time ur screaming these books are false, why, cause they are not canon. here we have paul, COMMANDING people to read a book thats not of the canon. you dont command people to read false...
  8. jaybird

    the bible canon

    Paul encourages people that when they come across something good to study it, not run from it because a council didnt declare it canon. Colossians 4:16 After this letter has been read to you, see that it is also read in the church of the Laodiceans and that you in turn read the letter from...
  9. jaybird

    the bible canon

    so in other words your saying they dont name the books. feel free to reject them, or have a council make the decision for you. dont teach others thay are false. Saint Paul commanded the Corinthians to read them, why would he do that? is Paul wrong to?
  10. jaybird

    the bible canon

    and where in the bible do the Apostles name these books that we use today? pretty sure its not there. however we do have a passage in acts where the local Jews tested Pauls teachings against the holy scriptures and most agree the books of the Septuagint were those books (the holy scriptures of...
  11. jaybird

    the bible canon

    when people say a book is in harmony they mean one book telling the same as another book such as Luke and Mark telling same accounts of Jesus, they are in harmony. same as chronicles and kings. acts is the Apostles going into the world and teaching the msg of Jesus, exodus is the Jews leaving...
  12. jaybird

    the bible canon

    why do you keep going back to "harmony" ? you realize the books of the bible are not chapters in a bigger book we call the bible? each book is its own unique book. i think your confusing the gospels books with the bible books. the gospels are in harmony with each other, this is important as they...
  13. jaybird

    the bible canon

    would Jesus the Son of the Most High use a teaching that was the same a false book teaching?
  14. jaybird

    the bible canon

    i would be more than happy to address this, but first lets wrap up post 117. you still have not answered.
  15. jaybird

    the bible canon

    your dodging . . a tree and its fruit was covered in book of Sirach 200 years plus before Jesus did His ministry. so either, according to what you said, the book is false and Jesus used false teachings or the book is not false. which one?
  16. jaybird

    the bible canon

    so when Jesus teaches on a tree and its fruit, according to your logic, its a false teaching being as it is a teaching from one of these books.
  17. jaybird

    the bible canon

    so you believe teachings from these books are false teachings yes or no?
  18. jaybird

    the bible canon

    would you consider these books false? can they be used for teaching?
  19. jaybird

    the bible canon

    i was thinking of using the Enoch quotes from the NT but since Enoch wasnt part of the Septuagint apocryphal books i didnt want to go down that road just yet. i agree that few today want truth, they only want to keep going through the motions of what they have been told.
  20. jaybird

    the bible canon

    your ignoring the facts, i already gave you several teachings of Jesus that are only found in the apocryphal. just no way around that. book of acts calls them scripture as well. sorry your argument just does not hold water
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