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  1. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Is the example of stocks gaining and losing value a moral one? Or is there something other than moral value that a stock can gain and lose?
  2. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    ... Yes, I have. So sometimes Value == emotion (i.e., is equivalent to an emotion) And other times Value != emotion (i.e., is not equivalent to an emotion) Is it therefore sometimes correct to use a different version of the words value and good to describe things that are not emotions or...
  3. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    I think whether the word value is an emotion depends on how it is used. For example, if I say, I value your opinion, Matt. The word value is used as a verb, and might very well be an emotion. At the very least it is an opinion. But if we use the word value as a noun, as in this article, What...
  4. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    So just as happiness is an emotion, so too good and valuable are emotions?
  5. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

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  6. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Let me ask the question a different way...
  7. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    And just to make sure, we said that good is a synonym for value. So are we still defining the words good and value by saying they are emotions? Or are we now thinking good and value are not emotions, but are instead adjectives describing emotions? That is to ask: Is good an emotion and value...
  8. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    I think I see, but please let me be sure. Are you saying the words useful, important and beneficial may be correctly defined as a pleasant emotion? Or are you instead saying useful, important and beneficial are not emotions, but are instead adjectives used to describe emotions?
  9. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Not sure what you mean by hold value. Do you mean the words useful, important and beneficial cannot be defined as meaning pleasant emotions and so they cannot possibly be synonyms of the word value?
  10. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Yes, I understand why you believe useful is not a synonym for valuable. You also previously said meaningful is not a synonym of valuable. What about the words important and beneficial? One might say an apple is important or beneficial as a cause of pleasant sensations. Should we also say...
  11. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Yes, I think (2) or (3). Indeed, I'm of the opinion that many who heard a scientist say, "The scientific method is worthless!" would have trouble believing the one saying such words was a scientist. They might mistake him for a religious fanatic, instead! The reason might be that most are not...
  12. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Understood. Thanks. :) Would you say the idea that the scientific method has no good value is: a scientific fact universally accepted by mosts scientists as true? or a scientific theory known by many scientists but not yet universally accepted as a scientific fact? or a scientific hypothesis...
  13. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Or are you saying it is a scientific fact that the scientific method is valueless, worthless and good for nothing, and so no further proof is necessary?
  14. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Are you thinking the scientific method is not a useful method for proving your hypothesis that the scientific method has no value, no worth and is good for nothing?
  15. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Then let's use the scientific method to investigate the lack of value of the scientific method. Purpose: To determine whether or not it is a scientific fact that the scientific method has no value, no worth and is not good for anything. Research: You and I have never heard or read of any...
  16. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Then I think we would have our work cut out for us in trying to get support from any reputable scientists. For I've never heard or read of any ever saying the scientific method is not valuable, worthy or good for anything! :p But if you can find just one such quote by a well respected...
  17. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    ... I suppose scientists are not immune to the war on values, either. I've heard many a physicist, chemist, geologist and biologist say the scientific method has value. Their reason given: It is an effective method for determining the probability of a scientific theory, rather than a...
  18. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    I mean, if you and a Starbucks employee had a disagreement about the amount of change due to you after purchasing a latte, you could use the calculator app on your phone to settle the dispute. If you and a bus driver had a difference of opinion about the number of miles it will be to make the...
  19. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    I hear what you are saying, but I'm still not yet convinced. I mean, ask some people what value is and they will tell you (A). Ask others and they will agree it is (B). Still others will choose (C) and say both are true! So I wonder what I am to do. Do you agree, at least that just as there...
  20. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    So I was thinking about the fruit tree analogy. The tree produces fruit that tastes good. One might say that if we define the word value this way, (A) Value = anything that causes pleasure instead of this way, (B) Value = anything that is pleasure Then if (A) is true, we might say the fruit...
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