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  1. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Matt: Please accept my apologies. Family crisis kept me away. I hope you are interested in picking up where we left off, today.
  2. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

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  3. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    So physical pleasure is also valuable? So emotional pleasure is the only thing that's valuable? Both statements cannot possibly be true. Which one do you choose?
  4. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    So physical pleasure is also valuable to, of worth to and good for you? So emotional pleasure is the only thing that is valuable to, of worth to and good for you? But which of these is the truth? Seems to me Socrates was correct. For he said: No matter what the subject, there is for those...
  5. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    I'm back. :) So I was trying to think of a more clear and cogent way to describe what I think you are telling me is true. The previous argument was difficult for me to understand, but I think this one is easier for me to follow: It's a scientific fact that pleasant emotions are the only thing...
  6. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    But have you answered my question? I asked if I correctly described the error I made in the example. I said nothing about you committing an error.
  7. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    ... Absolutely! The reason premises (2) and (3) are false is this: Regarding the words value, worth and good, I presumed that this specific truth (the sense of taste has value) is a general truth that applies to all possible situations (only the sense of taste has value). This is a false...
  8. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    This might help. It seems premises (2) and (3) are not worded correctly. My actual meaning must be this: It's a scientific fact that sweet things taste good and bitter things taste bad. Bad tasting things are [the only things that are] bad, and so they [alone] give our lives no value, no...
  9. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Or if you still have no idea how to convince me, will you try to guess what logical or factual errors I'm making? Here is the logical (or should I say illogical?) argument: It's a scientific fact that sweet things taste good and bitter things taste bad. Bad tasting things are bad, and so they...
  10. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Let's say I added this: "I'm even worse off than that android, because I have Dysgeusia. It makes everything taste bitter. Lots of things give me pleasant emotions, like the beatiful colors of the leaves of the apple tree, and the wonderful sound of the breeze blowing through those leaves, and...
  11. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    OK, so in response let's say I say: "It's a scientific fact that sweet things taste good and bitter things taste bad. Ask any biologist. Feelings cannot taste anything at all. So science proves emotions are not good." How would you reason with me, then?
  12. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    And let's say I replied, "No, emotions are not good--only taste is! It matters not how I feel about the taste. What matters is how the tongue senses it. If the taste is sweet, the apple tastes good, and so it is a good apple. It doesn't matter how I feel about the taste of apples, or even if I...
  13. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Not yet. Please let me explain why. What we are doing is defining the word value. Does the word apply to emotions, only? Or does it apply to other things in our lives, such as logic? So I started to say, the other day that when walking to work I had an idea. I did not give you the full...
  14. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Wow, I can't imagine what you are going through. I do have family who suffer from panic attacks and depression, but not as severely as you describe. As far as losing the pleasure of everyday living, this is actually one of the Negative Symptoms of schizophrenia listed in this artical on the...
  15. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    If you mean desire is sometimes a pleasurable feeling and other times an u pleasurable feeling, then I agree we agree. :)
  16. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Yes, I see what you mean. I think in the case of an approaching birthday or Christmas or some other cause for receiving gifts, the anticipation can be pleasant, as one has hopeful expectation of a gift. The waiting is tolerable because the exact date is known. But let's say someone promises such...
  17. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Then I think we should do our level best to become sure! For I not only wonder but having given it some thought, I now think this might be the key to open the door behind which the truth we seek about the what gives value to our lives resides. Please allow me to explain. My hope was that we...
  18. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Yes, that is what I'm saying, and glad we continue to agree. :) Then wanting or desiring something is an emotion. Anyone who says she desires something but feels nothing when she so wants is fooling herself, and we should not believe her. So what should we say of this feeling called Desire...
  19. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    I'm saying desire that is not an emotion does not exist. It's an unreal fantasy. It's a deception. If I'm wrong, do you have any logical proof to convince me?
  20. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Then I'd recommend that instead of saying you want to know the truth, you should instead say you do not want to know the truth. For to want is to desire, and we have no logical reason to believe desire is not an emotion! Neither should you say that you want to be happy. For to want is to...
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