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  1. Spockrates

    ways of knowing

    For Socrates, it appears philosophy was a kind of religious experience, and truth is found apart from the senses and through the religious practices of logic and his Socratic Method. Now this is different from the belief of some Christians, including many Protestants who agree there is a God...
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    ways of knowing

    There is another way of knowing taught by Socrates, though I don't know many who practice it today. In Plato's Meno and other dialogues he says all wisdom is simply remembering, so no one needs to be taught anything. We all already know all and simply need to recall. He based this conclusion on...
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Understood. Let's consider these words from the popular Catholic website EWTN: 353. Does this change of bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ continue to be made in the Church? This change of bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ continues to be made in the Church by...
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    No problem. I'm easy. Seems you think the lack of biblical precedent for having one bishop in authority over other bishops is an important reason to reject Catholicism. It's not important to me, personally, so I would not start such a discussion. But as I said, I would enjoy talking about it...
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    I think I'd enjoy discussing either topic with you. Please choose one to discuss first. :)
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Please give me an example of such a lie.
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Perhaps you are correct. But how will I know if you don't fully explain why you believe this? I mean, it's easy to throw mud and accuse a group of misunderstanding scripture. It's another thing to thoughtfully, respectfully and patiently prove it. I've had long conversations with Catholics who...
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    When I was in the military stationed in Italy, I worshipped and attended Bible studies in people's homes. I enjoyed the experience. :)
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Actually, they believe only God has that power, but he chooses to use the priest. Think of it like a spiritual gift. Gifts of the spirit are powers we do not have ourselves, but are given to us by God. Or should I say as Baptists used to tell me, "Gifts of the spirit were powers given by God"...
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Actually, I went from being Catholic as a kid, to being Baptist as a teen, to being Calvinist as an adult, to being a non-denominational Evangelical. Now I'm pretty much considering all of my options. :) But tell me, do you belong to the Church of Christ, or perhaps the Church of God. I think...
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    LOL! I'm not sure what to believe. I am fascinated that many millions of Catholics do believe it. Aren't you?
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Well, to be fair to Catholics, they do not believe consuming the Eucharist is cannibalism, and they say the Eucharist is all of Christ--body, soul and divinity. But please tell me why you think Catholics are cannibles, or why if what they believe is true, they must be cannibles.
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    But is it possible you are comparing apples with oranges? (Let me know if I should explain what I mean.)
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    How do you know Jesus' words at the Last Supper are symbolic?
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Is human sacrifice also condemned in the Old Testament?
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Well, Catholics say no good thing is impossible for God. I agree and suppose you do, too. The question to answer, then is not actually, "Can God make the bread and wine consumed at church Christ's flesh and blood?" The actual question is, "Would God make the bread and wine consumed at church...
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    KatieMyGirl: Before you answer, please consider Jesus' words in the very next verse: "For my flesh is real food, and my blood is real drink," (verse 55). :) You see? What I'm asking is this: What reason do we have to believe Jesus was speaking figuratively, but Peter was not using a figure...
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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

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    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Thank you for your answer. So by way of comparison, is this true? When Peter says, "Repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of sins" (Acts 2:38), he is speaking of real water, but when Christ says, "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life" (John 6:54), he is not speaking of...
  20. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Or maybe I've asked you to think too much! :) Thanks again for all your thoughtful comments. Take care and may God richly bless.
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