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    Did Jesus say he was God???

    Lots of trinitarians flat out state that you have to believe the trinity or you don't know God and you are not saved. They consider you a heretic, and therefore outside christianity. The nicene creed started it by saying that anyone who ddidn't believe it was damned or some such thing. While...
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    Did Jesus say he was God???

    In my opinion, a major reason, perhaps the major reason, Christians can look at verses like 1 cor. 8.6 and john 17.11 and still maintain that Jesus is god, is because they have been taught all their christian life that their salvation depends on believing that Jesus is god. And since almost all...
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    Did Jesus say he was God???

    I don't see it that way. Jesus, a man, claiming to be God who is a spirit being, would make no sense, not that it would be something difficult to understand. Besides Jesus after his resurrection explicitly stated that he was not a spirit being. Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it...
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    Did Jesus say he was God???

    Jesus was the new man, the second or last adam, all christians are new creations in Christ Jesus. (Rotherham) 1 Corinthians 15:45 Thus, also, it is written--The first man, Adam, became, a living soul, the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of...
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    Did Jesus say he was God???

    the whole argument that Jesus has two natures, as trinitarians put it, is a farce for this reason. God is not a nature, and God is not a kind. spirit and man are two kinds. So when they say Jesus is fully man and fully God, that is like saying President Bush is fully man and fully President...
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    Did Jesus say he was God???

    Refreshing to talk with someone who uses logic instead of illogic. I wonder is there any doctrine in all of Christendom more illogical than the Trinity doctrine? I can't think of any off hand more loaded with illogic than Trinity.
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    Verses that show Qur'an is from God

    I think mohammed may have had a revelation like Newton and the apple. Ole Mohammed was probably suckin on a dried fig and suddenly realised that hey 99 percent of the volume of the fig is gone, must have mostly been water that evaporated, voila, everything came from water. (mohammed might have...
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    Did Jesus say he was God???

    Thank you for the welcome. John 8:28 Jesus therefore said, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself, but as the Father taught me, I speak these things. Notice ‘he’ in italics above, another example of ego emi in the same chapter...
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    Did Jesus say he was God???

    Jesus was saying that he was the one prophesised to come even before abraham existed. It should read 'Before Abraham was I am he." because in Greek he is understood though not stated. As in the case of John 8.22 where he is understood though not stated. This occurs frequently in Greek. John...
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    Did Jesus say he was God???

    1 pet 1.20 proves that Jesus did not exist before he was born, so he cannot be God. 1 Peter 1:20 who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was manifested at the end of times for your sake, YOu can't foreknow someone who already exists, you can only foreknow someone...
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    New to RF!

    I bailed out of CF too, non trinitarians are no longer welcome there.
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