“The Koran Is Borrowed”: Hitchens claim; refuted.

[paarsurrey]

Index “God is not great”: page 312, edition “TWELVE”: under word “Koran”.
Quote:
“Koran, 46, 55, 123–37, 151, 181, 188, 227, 252
alleged satanic verses of, 134, 136
and destructiveness of religion, 23,26, 29, 33
on eating pork, 37–38
language of, 12–13, 124–26, 129, 131,137
Mormons and, 161, 164
revelations and, 98, 128–29, 134–35,161
on tolerance of other religions, 133–34
transcription and compilation of,130–32
and words and deeds of Muhammad, 127–31”
We take the entry mentioned as pages 123–37 from the index.

“The Koran Is Borrowed from Both Jewish and Christian Myths” Hitchens claims.

Hitchens failed to quote a passage/s or page/s or a chapter/s or surah/s from Quran and then to quote a passage/s or page/s or a chapter/s from NT Bible or OT Bible that Quran has borrowed from them.

Due to his casual reading of Quran, Hitchens wrote such words rather a whole chapter from pages 123–37 based on hearsay.

Chapter Nine - “The Koran Is Borrowed from Both Jewish and Christian Myths”: “God is not great”.

Where Hitchens failed; yet there could be some of his fans who could come up to quote a passage/s or page/s or a chapter/s or surah/s from Quran and then to quote a passage/s or page/s or a chapter/s from NT Bible or OT Bible that Quran has borrowed from them.

 

[paarsurrey]

There have been 66 viewers to this thread and I appreciate that no-one has sided with Hitchens' claim that "The Koran is Borrowed".

 

[happyhuman]

the koran is not borrowed it is a bad copy of the hebrew and christan bibles.

 

[Tarheeler]

There have been 66 viewers to this thread and I appreciate that no-one has sided with Hitchens' claim that "The Koran is Borrowed".

I would strongly suggest that you not read anything into the lack of responses.

It could simply be because people find the topic not worth the trouble.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Some religious anthropology shows that Christianity is an amalgam of Judaism and Hellenistic philosophies, and that Islam is an amalgam of Christianity, Judaism and Arabic theology.

 

[Orias]

I would strongly suggest that you not read anything into the lack of responses.

It could simply be because people find the topic not worth the trouble.

Duh and a facepalm!

On that note, the Koran was borrowed, actually stolen fits it better, or plagiarized, what have you.

 

[waitasec]

Index “God is not great”: page 312, edition “TWELVE”: under word “Koran”.
Quote:
“Koran, 46, 55, 123–37, 151, 181, 188, 227, 252
alleged satanic verses of, 134, 136
and destructiveness of religion, 23,26, 29, 33
on eating pork, 37–38
language of, 12–13, 124–26, 129, 131,137
Mormons and, 161, 164
revelations and, 98, 128–29, 134–35,161
on tolerance of other religions, 133–34
transcription and compilation of,130–32
and words and deeds of Muhammad, 127–31”
We take the entry mentioned as pages 123–37 from the index.

“The Koran Is Borrowed from Both Jewish and Christian Myths” Hitchens claims.

Hitchens failed to quote a passage/s or page/s or a chapter/s or surah/s from Quran and then to quote a passage/s or page/s or a chapter/s from NT Bible or OT Bible that Quran has borrowed from them.

Due to his casual reading of Quran, Hitchens wrote such words rather a whole chapter from pages 123–37 based on hearsay.

Chapter Nine - “The Koran Is Borrowed from Both Jewish and Christian Myths”: “God is not great”.

Where Hitchens failed; yet there could be some of his fans who could come up to quote a passage/s or page/s or a chapter/s or surah/s from Quran and then to quote a passage/s or page/s or a chapter/s from NT Bible or OT Bible that Quran has borrowed from them.

hmmm.
you need to read the whole chapter, or just the 1st paragraph
consider:
the archangel gabrielle
the oral tradition
the recitation
the sense of urgency to silence or execute those who question it
the idea of hell and paradice
doings and sayings of prophets AKA hadith
tales of noah like floods
the injunctions against idol worship

yup, not very original

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

yup, not very original

Neither is the critique and the spirit in which it is offered.

 

[waitasec]

Neither is the critique and the spirit in which it is offered.

see the things is i don't proclaim to be original...if i did then you would have a case but as it stands...you don't...you just created a case that was not even worth mentioning.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

...you just created a case that was not even worth mentioning.

I was making an observation, not a case, and I'm neither impressed nor concerned by your criteria for worth. The fact remains that to attack the Quran as being unoriginal strikes me as silly at best.

 

[waitasec]

I was making an observation, not a case, and I'm neither impressed nor concerned by your criteria for worth. The fact remains that to attack the Quran as being unoriginal strikes me as silly at best.

no you made a case for yourself to justify why you didn't like my post...but thats all right by me...and you really didn't add anything to the thread. so if you don't mind...
if you have nothing to add then please stop making personal comments...besides
any religious faith is silly at best.

 

[Revoltingest]

Meh.....so what if the Koran is borrowed.
What religion wasn't made up using the culture of the times & those preceding it?

 

[Orias]

Meh.....so what if the Koran is borrowed.
What religion wasn't made up using the culture of the times & those preceding it?

Dang, and here I thought Satan was the original

 

[paarsurrey]

I was making an observation, not a case, and I'm neither impressed nor concerned by your criteria for worth. The fact remains that to attack the Quran as being unoriginal strikes me as silly at best.

To attack Quran like Hitchens did, makes no sense; there are 26 letters of English alphabets; can one conclude from it that everybody who writes English does nothing except to copy them and borrow them; like if one says Shakespeare did nothing except to copy them and borrow them.

The similarity of basic teachings in all great revealed religions only shows that originally they are from the same one source; from the one true attributive creator God; it does not show that anyone of them has borrowed anything from others.

Hitchens did a cheap thing to highlight it, in my opinion.

 

[David M]

There have been 66 viewers to this thread and I appreciate that no-one has sided with Hitchens' claim that "The Koran is Borrowed".

Why would anyone need to, that the Koran borrowed from Judaism and Christianity is a fact.

Claiming otherwise is stupid as the Koran makes it clear that it is talking about the same deity and that it is a continuation of the traditions of the other 2 Abrahamic faiths.

 

[paarsurrey]

Why would anyone need to, that the Koran borrowed from Judaism and Christianity is a fact.

Claiming otherwise is stupid as the Koran makes it clear that it is talking about the same deity and that it is a continuation of the traditions of the other 2 Abrahamic faiths.

Please quote from Quran where it says that it has borrowed from from Christianity and Judaism.

Christians believe in Trinity and Quran rejects it unequivocally; Jews rejected Jesus while Quran says Jesus was truthful messenger prophet of the one true attributive creator God.

Where is the borrowing?

 

[David M]

Please quote from Quran where it says that it has borrowed from from Christianity and Judaism.

Christians believe in Trinity and Quran rejects it unequivocally; Jews rejected Jesus while Quran says Jesus was truthful messenger prophet of the one true attributive creator God.

Where is the borrowing?

You don't have to take everything when you borrow from a tradition, you can take some of it and discard other elements. And I need to correct you, not all Christians sects believe in the Trinity.

You gave provided the evidence yourself, the Quran uses Jesus (which borrows from Christianity) just as it uses Abraham (which is borrowed from Judaism).

 

[paarsurrey]

You don't have to take everything when you borrow from a tradition, you can take some of it and discard other elements. And I need to correct you, not all Christians sects believe in the Trinity.

You gave provided the evidence yourself, the Quran uses Jesus (which borrows from Christianity) just as it uses Abraham (which is borrowed from Judaism).

Jesus and Mary were not Christians; did Christianity borrow them from Judaism?

Noah and Abraham existed before Judaism; do you think Judaism borrowed them from others?

Cyrus did not belong to Judaism; do you think Judaism borrowed him Zoroastrians?

 

[McBell]

Jesus and Mary were not Christians;

Perhaps not, but they are both introduced in Christianity.

did Christianity borrow them from Judaism?

Yes.

Noah and Abraham existed before Judaism; do you think Judaism borrowed them from others?

I do not recall Noah or Abraham mentioned in any pre-Judaism writings...
If you know of some, please be so kind as to share.

Cyrus did not belong to Judaism; do you think Judaism borrowed him Zoroastrians?

Could have.

 

[McBell]

Please quote from Quran where it says that it has borrowed from from Christianity and Judaism.

Nice try.
But the fact that Jesus and Mary are in the Koran shows that they were borrowed from Christianity.

Christians believe in Trinity and Quran rejects it unequivocally;

Not all Christians believe in the trinity.

Jews rejected Jesus while Quran says Jesus was truthful messenger prophet of the one true attributive creator God.

And?
What does this have to do with the fact that the Koran borrows from the Bible?

Where is the borrowing?

Jesus and Mary.