‘Frightening’: Xi Jinping threatens a ‘great wall of steel’

[stvdv]

‘Frightening’: Xi Jinping threatens a ‘great wall of steel’

China makes some big threats here, they say. The moment Huawei was thrown out, I already said "this will backfire soon". I think we have not seen the last of this, this is just the beginning. I would not even be surprised if China coincidentally released some new variants ... powerful people do not make threats, they act on it.

And I do remember a high Chinese official making a huge threat in 2019 saying "we will see if USA is still not scared when 10.000 people will die soon (figuratively mentioning a US warship, but I think it was about New York) . Many RF'ers declared me "kind of crazy", when I said this, saying "aha, there have not been 10.000 death". Well I think there have been now at least 10.000 death in New York. When high Chinese officials make such clear and obvious threats, I take them serious

Just some thoughts I have on this. I am curious what others think. You think China is kind of harmless and not a big player in the world, or do you now take such Chinese threats more serious?

 

[ChristineM]

China is no more of a threat than America has been (and to some extent still is) or britain was in the days of empire.

 

[exchemist]

‘Frightening’: Xi Jinping threatens a ‘great wall of steel’

China makes some big threats here, they say. The moment Huawei was thrown out, I already said "this will backfire soon". I think we have not seen the last of this, this is just the beginning. I would not even be surprised if China coincidentally released some new variants ... powerful people do not make threats, they act on it.

And I do remember a high Chinese official making a huge threat in 2019 saying "we will see if USA is still not scared when 10.000 people will die soon (figuratively mentioning a US warship, but I think it was about New York) . Many RF'ers declared me "kind of crazy", when I said this, saying "aha, there have not been 10.000 death". Well I think there have been now at least 10.000 death in New York. When high Chinese officials make such clear and obvious threats, I take them serious

Just some thoughts I have on this. I am curious what others think. You think China is kind of harmless and not a big player in the world, or do you now take such Chinese threats more serious?

I think you are indulging in bonkers conspiracies, here.

You need to produce evidence of this supposed statement about 10,000 people dying. I don't recall this. It would have made the headlines if it was true.

China is not "releasing new variants". If you do not understand by now that new variants of SARS-CoV-2 are not made in some lab, but arise in nature by evolution, then I despair of you.

A "wall of steel" is not made by exporting viruses, anyway. It quite obviously refers to military strength.

China is becoming a horrible techno-totalitarian state at home and increasingly belligerent abroad, but that makes it all the more important to focus on rational concerns about the country and not to indulge in wild and loony myth-making.

 

[Twilight Hue]

‘Frightening’: Xi Jinping threatens a ‘great wall of steel’

China makes some big threats here, they say. The moment Huawei was thrown out, I already said "this will backfire soon". I think we have not seen the last of this, this is just the beginning. I would not even be surprised if China coincidentally released some new variants ... powerful people do not make threats, they act on it.

And I do remember a high Chinese official making a huge threat in 2019 saying "we will see if USA is still not scared when 10.000 people will die soon (figuratively mentioning a US warship, but I think it was about New York) . Many RF'ers declared me "kind of crazy", when I said this, saying "aha, there have not been 10.000 death". Well I think there have been now at least 10.000 death in New York. When high Chinese officials make such clear and obvious threats, I take them serious

Just some thoughts I have on this. I am curious what others think. You think China is kind of harmless and not a big player in the world, or do you now take such Chinese threats more serious?

I like the broken heads and bloodshed part.

He's the perfect villain. Winnie the Pooh gone evil. Like Elmo.

 

[Revoltingest]

China is no more of a threat than America has been (and to some extent still is) or britain was in the days of empire.

Hmmm....Tibetans & Uighurs might strongly
disagree about the current threat status.

 

[ChristineM]

Hmmm....Tibetans & Uighurs might strongly
disagree about the current threat status.

No more than Americans did to narive Americans.

 

[Revoltingest]

No more than Americans did to narive Americans.

No more than Americans did to narive Americans.

I addressed your....
"(and to some extent still is)"

 

[ChristineM]

I addressed your....
"(and to some extent still is)"

Separating children from their parents comes to mind. Holding people in Guantanamo bay for years on little more than rumours comes to mind

 

[Revoltingest]

Separating children from their parents comes to mind. Holding people in Guantanamo bay for years on little more than rumours comes to mind

Compared to the scale of what's happening in
Tibet & China (Uighurs & political dissidents)?
Nah....not even remotely similar.

 

[ChristineM]

Compared to the scale of what's happening in
Tibet & China (Uighurs & political dissidents)?
Nah....not even remotely similar.

Close enough if you are one of those impacted

 

[Debater Slayer]

Compared to the scale of what's happening in
Tibet & China (Uighurs & political dissidents)?
Nah....not even remotely similar.

I would consider hundreds of thousands of deaths among Iraqis to be quite similar. Coupled with the crimes in Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib as well as continued support for oppressive regimes (primarily Saudi and Israeli ones), yes, the U.S. isn't on much higher moral ground than China when it comes to human rights on a global scale in the last 20 years.

 

[Debater Slayer]

‘Frightening’: Xi Jinping threatens a ‘great wall of steel’

China makes some big threats here, they say. The moment Huawei was thrown out, I already said "this will backfire soon". I think we have not seen the last of this, this is just the beginning. I would not even be surprised if China coincidentally released some new variants ... powerful people do not make threats, they act on it.

And I do remember a high Chinese official making a huge threat in 2019 saying "we will see if USA is still not scared when 10.000 people will die soon (figuratively mentioning a US warship, but I think it was about New York) . Many RF'ers declared me "kind of crazy", when I said this, saying "aha, there have not been 10.000 death". Well I think there have been now at least 10.000 death in New York. When high Chinese officials make such clear and obvious threats, I take them serious

Just some thoughts I have on this. I am curious what others think. You think China is kind of harmless and not a big player in the world, or do you now take such Chinese threats more serious?

Whatever good points you could have made got lost in the mountain of dramatic statements and conspiracy theories.

 

[Revoltingest]

Close enough if you are one of those impacted

Rather than saying that individuals are affected,
it's more useful to look at the size of the groups
of individuals so affected.
Uyghur genocide - Wikipedia
This is ongoing....current...in progress.

If we treat all countries as equivalent in oppression
because of the existence of affected individuals, &
ignore the scale of it, this serves to excuse China as it
takes over Tibet, takes over all waters in the S China
sea, oppresses dissidents, & crushes Uighurs.
Not your intent, but it is an effect.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would consider hundreds of thousands of deaths among Iraqis to be quite similar.

Please address the her claim of current equivalency,
not things in history, however distant or recent.
If you want to jump in, that is what I addressed.

Coupled with the crimes in Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib as well as continued support for oppressive regimes (primarily Saudi and Israeli ones), yes, the U.S. isn't on much higher moral ground than China when it comes to human rights on a global scale in the last 20 years.

Yes, Ameristan has done terrible things.
(You left out sins towards Palestinians & Iranians.)
And it still plays policeman to the world.
I'm not claiming moral high ground at all.
But to appear to claim that China & Ameristan
are currently equivalent is bogus.

Ref...
List of Guantanamo Bay detainees - Wikipedia
As awful as this is, there are only 40 detainees.

 

[ChristineM]

Please address the her claim of current equivalency,

my claim was historical and to "some extent" current.

Which is correct.

 

[Revoltingest]

my claim was historical and to "some extent" current.

Which is correct.

I agree about Ameristan's historical atrocities.
But we should not reduce China's current evils
with "but USA is bad too".

 

[ChristineM]

I agree about Ameristan's historical atrocities.
But we should not reduce China's current evils
with "but USA is bad too".

Why not? the US certainly has its inhuman moments.

 

[sun rise]

Hmmm....Tibetans & Uighurs might strongly
disagree about the current threat status.

I take Xi seriously. He wants to rule the world in the Chinese style with everyone kowtowing to him.

And to him:

肏你祖宗十八代 (cào nǐ zǔzōng shíbā dài)
...the insulting bloodline is a deep cut in Chinese. So when you use a swear that translates to “(eff) your ancestors to the eighteenth generation,

 

[Revoltingest]

Why not? the US certainly has its inhuman moments.

One country's sins do not justify anothers.
Nor are all sins equivalent in magnitude.
By the reasoning I see in this thread,
France would be as evil as N Korea.

Good old reductio ad absurdum, eh.

 

[exchemist]

I take Xi seriously. He wants to rule the world in the Chinese style with everyone kowtowing to him.

And to him:

肏你祖宗十八代 (cào nǐ zǔzōng shíbā dài)
...the insulting bloodline is a deep cut in Chinese. So when you use a swear that translates to “(eff) your ancestors to the eighteenth generation,

Yes. When my father was a small boy growing up in Canton, he was called "foreign devil child" by the peanut sellers at the end of the street. So he got the son of the amah, with whom he was great friends, to teach him how to make rude remarks about their ancestors. All in Cantonese of course.