Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
Pardon, I don’t think I follow. Did you per chance accidentally respond to someone else’s comment here?Sorry, I do not believe in a trinity and the rest is irrelevant.
What I believe is that Jesus was a man born holy and sinless and was endowed with the spirit of God (often called, ‘[the] Holy Spirit’, Chosen by God as a true servant as per Isaiah 42:1 and Acts 10:37-38.
This Jesus [Christ] is the replacement for the first created man, Adam (as per the reference: ‘The last Adam’, ‘Last’ because no other sinless man (an ADAM) would ever be created.
God created a physical world to be occupied by physical entities and ruled over by a physical IMAGE of Himself. If Jesus is God then that point is perfectly pointless since if Jesus is God, Jesus is ALREADY RULER over the FAR greater kingdom of Heaven - a kingdom not restrained by physical laws like the physical world. Also, for Jesus (as God) to become ruler (See Temptation by Satan in the wilderness) over the whole world he would effectively be DEMOTING HIMSELF.
But how can God DEMOTE himself from being GOD? How can one PART (person) of God be different from the other two as Trinitarians confusingly claim? Afterall, GOD is IMMUTABLE!!! And what does ‘Immutable’ mean?
To try to claim God as immutable yet one person of the trinity God goes through MANY CHANGES including BEING DEAD and having to be resurrected again by ‘GOD’?! Trinitarians claim that Jesus had TWO IDENTITIES… which itself is a disjointed claim since it still doesn’t show how ONE PART OF GOD could be flesh and yet DID NOT CHANGE!
But NEITHER the Father nor the Spirit of God ever changes - they are both unchanging - and why? Because the spirit of God is just that - an ATTRIBUTE of God - of the Father. The Father never changes therefore His Spirit never changes . Indeed, if God ever changed it would mean that God was not fully ALMIGHTY yet we declare Him to be so!
Jesus, on the other hand, was born, was taught, grew, aged, was obedient to parents and laws of men but not diverting the laws of God, though he was, until called into service BY GOD, was never TESTED to subvert them - testimony of which is shown when, after returning from the temptation in the wilderness, (or was it before he was anointed?? I’ll check in that!) he declared in the synagogue that the ‘Year of the Lord’ had been realised ‘IN HIM’. The people hearing him were astonished because they had known him as just a humble compliant child/man who was a carpenter in the household of, son of, the man, Joseph.
Now, regarding Jesus task that GOD SENT HIM TO DO (How did God send him if he WAS GOD?). The ‘Sending’ was AFTER Jesus was anointed BY GOD. Trinitarians translators inserted the words ‘from Heaven’ into the scriptures wherein Jesus said:
Jesus, here, means that in order to enter Heaven a man must FIRST DIE… like he told Nicodemus that to see Heaven a man must first be REBORN… and that for a seed to grid if must FIRST DIE… if these analogies don’t wash then the issue is between the unbeliever, and Jesus Christ who spoke it and the spirit of God (the Spirit of Truth) that enables it.
- ‘No one has ever ascended into Heaven who didn’t first descend [FROM HEAVEN]’
And witness that Jesus never says that he is going BACK to the Father. He only ever says that he is ‘Going TO the Father’… ‘Going TO HIS GOD’.
So Jesus lives for a few years delivering the TESTIMONY OF the FATHER… then dies to save mankind from the eternal death brought by the first Adam. This eternal death had meant that all mankind, regardless of their adherence to the laws of God, were destined to eternal death in the spirit - total annihilation! God had spoken that in order to waylay this eternal death a sinless man, like the yearly sacrifice of a pure and meek lamb, should be slaughtered. Unless this was fulfilled no salvation was possible:
And so, the reward for this selfless act is that such a sinless man should take the place of the sinful man (Adam) in becoming RULER over ALL CREATED THINGS; to be the greatest love of the Father; the most beloved of God… the ‘FIRSTBORN’ of the Father.
- ‘For by one sinful man sin came unto the world - and thus eternal death to all… so also salvation from eternal death must come by the sacrifice of one sinless man‘ (paraphrased)
and:
- This ‘Firstborn’ is not to be confused with ‘FIRST BORN’, which is a chronological term. The ‘Firstborn’ is a term used to denote the first in line of the love of the Father. This does not have to mean the first male born from the womb. Scriptures tells of firstborn who were not first born in many of the children of the Israelites and even before and after:
- Cain: Abel / Seth
- Ishmael: Isaac
- Esau: Jacob
- … : Joseph
- … : David
- … : Solomon
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- Adam: Jesus
So, now you know!
I’m the one you asked for an elaboration from, on why I believe it not quite right to say that Jesus is God.
Humbly,
Hermit