“He is before all things” (Col 1:17) What does this mean about Jesus Christ?

[Colt]

I thought that was what the whole of scriptures was mainly about…..

IT IS WHAT THE SCRIPTURES IS MAINLY ABOUT!!

The Old Testament showed his blood sacrifice (blood from an unblemished animal) did not satisfy God but was used as a reminder of the one true sacrifice of an unblemished man that they were awaiting. Jesus Christ performed that role with all the meekness of an innocent lamb. Hence, he did not sane his life when put in front of Pontius Pilate who desired Jesus to be released but could not because the people demanded another. Jesus could have said, ‘it is true that I am not committing sedition against Caesar and against Rome but instead pronounced and acknowledged the truth that he was ‘King of the Jews’ - which is, of course, a SPIRITUAL kingship which is not attached to an EARTHLY kingship. The Jews mistook Jesus’ words and wanted him dead… which played into the hands of God because this scriptures was fulfilled AS IT WAS PROPHESIED thousands of years before!!

Blood sacrifice is Pagan, the Israelites adopted the practice from the Pagan world. God is a forgiving father, no animals or human sacrifice is required. If separated from God in sin and rebellion, the child need have a change of heart, confess sin and receive forgiveness. Then remain loyal to the Father going forward.

 

[Soapy]

Blood sacrifice is Pagan, the Israelites adopted the practice from the Pagan world. God is a forgiving father, no animals or human sacrifice is required. If separated from God in sin and rebellion, the child need have a change of heart, confess sin and receive forgiveness. Then remain loyal to the Father going forward.

This is a one act: Sinful man for Sinless Man.

The animal sacrifice was but a reminder of what was required by God. Do not compare the two: God says: ‘Sacrifice I did not want - but obedience!’.

Ask yourself, a perfect parent: If your children continue to do bad, would you not ‘sacrifice’ something if there’s to teach them a necessary lesson?

Yes, of course you love them… Of course God loves His children - but wayward children need correction and a knowledge of what will come of their waywardness if they continue!!!

For angels, if they are wayward, they are sealed for death - only one error and it’s caput!!!! But God FORGIVES his [human] children time and time and time again.

Do you not read: ‘How many times should I forgive my brother?’… Jesus answers: ‘70 times 70 times 70…’

That’s is my brother… how any times does God forgive us??… So God does not forfeit our lives lightly but only in the extreme…, and only at the end.

But here we speak of two things:

1. Eternal death that comes to all mankind irrelevant to their sin status. In this ALL MANKIND ARE CONDEMNED THROUGH THE SIN OF ADAM
2. Personal Sin… which condemns a man on his own sinfulness - not to do with Adam

Jesus came to wipe away the first - the sin of Adam. The eradication of spiritual sin that was in all mankind. One death for the death of all mankind … it’s as simple as that!!

 

[Colt]

This is a one act: Sinful man for Sinless Man.

The animal sacrifice was but a reminder of what was required by God. Do not compare the two: God says: ‘Sacrifice I did not want - but obedience!’.

Ask yourself, a perfect parent: If your children continue to do bad, would you not ‘sacrifice’ something if there’s to teach them a necessary lesson?

Yes, of course you love them… Of course God loves His children - but wayward children need correction and a knowledge of what will come of their waywardness if they continue!!!

For angels, if they are wayward, they are sealed for death - only one error and it’s caput!!!! But God FORGIVES his [human] children time and time and time again.

Do you not read: ‘How many times should I forgive my brother?’… Jesus answers: ‘70 times 70 times 70…’

That’s is my brother… how any times does God forgive us??… So God does not forfeit our lives lightly but only in the extreme…, and only at the end.

But here we speak of two things:

1. Eternal death that comes to all mankind irrelevant to their sin status. In this ALL MANKIND ARE CONDEMNED THROUGH THE SIN OF ADAM
2. Personal Sin… which condemns a man on his own sinfulness - not to do with Adam

Jesus came to wipe away the first - the sin of Adam. The eradication of spiritual sin that was in all mankind. One death for the death of all mankind … it’s as simple as that!!

Sin is a choice not an inheritance.

We are saved by faith, not by rejecting the original, pre-cross Gospel and killing the Son as a barbaric human sacrifice!

Israel was punished for killing the Son of God! The light went West to people more receptive to Paul’s version of the Gospel.

The salvation taught by Jesus was a real change of heart and behavior.

Atonement is theoretical salvation.