Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I don't think so because if the fetus is a person, it requires protection generally speaking.
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“Let the states decide.”
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an anarchist
Your local anarchist.
And this can be a discussion point.
You say “generally” speaking. So not in all cases does a person require protection, correct? Such as a murderer sentenced to death by the state, we are not obligated to protect their life, correct?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Actually I am pretty consistent. I don't believe that the death sentence as applied in this country (USA) is all that sound either.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
But I am not going to split hairs one way or the other, when most abortions are not carried out to for rape or incest. I know what I would do but I am not going to die on that hill so to speak. That's why I use the term "generally," Also the matter of the life of the mother, the actual LIFE of the mother. If it is truly at stake, and she chooses to have an abortion, I consider that to be a matter of self defense. That is also rare but it does happen occasionally.
an anarchist
Your local anarchist.
There are many valid reasons for abortion besides the two you listed, such as the inherent danger of childbirth to the mother.
I wasn’t making an irrelevant distinction either. I was showing that life is not always worthy of protection. Just because something is alive does not grant it protection at the expense of others.
an anarchist
Your local anarchist.
Every birth is not without risk. So you agree then that abortions should be allowed at the mother’s discretion?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I addressed the actual threat to the life of the mother.
an anarchist
Your local anarchist.
See the above post I made.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Nope.
an anarchist
Your local anarchist.
What are you saying nope to? That childbirth is inherently dangerous? Because it is. Every single birth is a danger to the mother. We can mitigate the danger, but the risk still exists. So if you say that if there is a risk to the mother, and the abortion would be self defense, then you should always support abortion. Your argument is illogical because every birth is a danger to the mother.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
You asked if I agreed that abortions should be at the mother's discretion and I said nope. Sorry you find my answers to be confusing but there it is. Of course some births are more risky than others but thankfully those don't make up the majority of abortions. If they did, I might respond differently but they don't.
an anarchist
Your local anarchist.
When you don’t elaborate and leave me with one word, I might get confused…
So you don’t agree that abortions should be allowed if the mother’s life is in danger? Because if you did, you would agree that it would be best to allow the mother to have an abortion at her discretion. Because every birth is risky (which you didn’t say “nope” to). I see inconsistencies in your logic, and I mean to point them out in the spirit of useful and enlightening debate.
Scary.
an anarchist
Your local anarchist.
Do you think Nazi soldiers of WW2 deserved to have their lives protected?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Sorry you see inconsistencies but I have clarified over and over again that pregnancy is a unique state of being.
If they're POWs and not shooting at you, yes.
But you're talking about children. Some of these pro-abortion arguments I see are flat-out deranged and come off as psychopathic.
an anarchist
Your local anarchist.
Instead of being sorry maybe you can answer my points and leave me with something more than -
?
an anarchist
Your local anarchist.
My point is there is a grey area when it comes to whether we should protect life or not. It is not 100% of the time “if it’s alive we gotta protect it”
an anarchist
Your local anarchist.
And these children might rip you open as they birth.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Pregnancy IS a unique state of being. It's unique in many ways and one way is that though the mother is her own being, she is also responsible for the being of another person.