‘Jesus was WITH GOD’ therefore Jesus WAS GOD?

[Soapy]

To many, not all
for those who believe in a trinity of persons of God, QUESTION. "how much of the Spirit was in Christ when he G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'). himself while in flesh?". for if he's separate and distinct, as many say, and God is only "ONE" Spirit, so, how much of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') for the one Person whom many calls son? was it 1/3 of the Spirit G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō')? or all of the Spirit, or none of the Spirit? which one?

for the scriptures are clear, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

so, he was in the FORM/Nature of God, which is Spirit, but was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') made empty. ..... So, to all my trinitarians and alike HOW MUCH OF THE SPIRIT WAS G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') or made empty.

101G will be looking for anyone to answer. ..... Thanks in advance.

101G.

101G, what is the FORM of God?

Does God have a Form… Does SPIRIT have a Form?

Perhaps you meant to say that Jesus was in the mindset of God… Afterall, Jesus agreed with his Father, God: YHWH. That means that Jesus would:

• THINK LIKE God
• ACT LIKE God
• DO LIKE GOD

because the SPIRIT from God was in Jesus, put on and in him AT THE ANOINTING at the river Jordan (See Acts 10:37-38 ‘God anointed Jesus with Holy Spirit and power … and he went around DOING GOOD - healing all who came to him!’ paraphrased):

• “The Spirit of the Lord is on me [Jesus Christ], because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” (Luke 4:18-19)

This saying from Jesus after he had returned from the temptation in the wilderness - after his anointment at the river Jordan.

 

[Soapy]

Agreed!
See my post in thread 'Does God require a creator?'
Does God require a creator?

I don’t think 101G meant what you think he said.
He believes that Jesus is God, Son, Father, and Spirit. Yet he disbelieves that this is Modalism, a kind of reverse trinitarianism.

His reference to ‘fools’ is that anyone who doesn’t believe what he says is such a person. Read a few of his posts and you’ll soon see what I mean.

 

[Zwing]

what is the FORM of God?

I’m with you, but to be fair, this verse is interpreted as meaning “of the same nature and character as God”. The better question is, how can one “be of the same character” as oneself?? This is assuming, per the Trinidadian doctrine, that Jesus and God are simply different “persons” of the same being.

 

[Soapy]

I’m with you, but to be fair, this verse is interpreted as meaning “of the same nature and character as God”. The better question is, how can one “be of the same character” as oneself?? This is assuming, per the Trinidadian doctrine, that Jesus and God are simply different “persons” of the same being.

Yes, different ‘Persons’.

This is where Trinitarians try to squibble their way out of answering by saying that the the three SHARE the ESSENCE of God. So yet another unfounded non-scripture term which even they cannot explain yet claim as their belief.

‘Essence’ shared! I ask if Essence shared is like the water in a fish bowl which three fish share (they all filter the same water and feed on the same nutrient therein. But then that makes GOD the WATER… God is, to them, the ‘PERSON’ of the water?

No! Crazy… but it gets worse since they say that Jesus is EQUAL to God, and remember that ‘God’ is ESSENCE, to them.

No…….! Even worse, I have not received a response to ‘Is GOD EQUAL to Jesus’??
Nor ‘Is the Father EQUAL to the Son’…

Afterall, equality is COMMUTATIVE (goes both way!) but not in trinity, it seems!!

Now I know why Trinitarians say that ‘God is a Mystery [to them]’!

 

[Muffled]

I believe that the Son of God is separate from the Father and came into existence sometime in the eternal past. Not some sort of conjoined twin like being or an appendage on God, but a separate, volitional being.

I believe there is no evidence for your belief. The scripture is definitely to the contrary.

 

[exchemist]

I believe there is no evidence for your belief. The scripture is definitely to the contrary.

But not contrary to the Nicene Creed. So you have to be saying the church got
it all wrong, back in 325.

 

[Muffled]

It's interesting to note that God cannot be tried or tempted by evil. James 1:13. The Bible says that Jesus was tempted by the Devil. But did not give in. have a nice evening.

I believe He did not give in to temptation which is what that means when it says God can't be tempted.

 

[Colt]

I believe there is no evidence for your belief. The scripture is definitely to the contrary.

There is evidence in the scripture for this, but anti-divinity people pick and choose the things that support what they don't believe.

 

[exchemist]

I believe He did not give in to temptation which is what that means when it says God can't be tempted.

Yes the point is that, as God-made-man, Jesus would have experienced what it is like to be human - including bodily urges and temptations.

 

[Muffled]

That's not hyperbole. Hyperbole is, "any of you can move mountains if you beleive" "any of you can do what I did with this fig tree and more" "you must eat my flesh and drink my blood for eternal life." "You will get whatever you ask for in my name" The list goes on and on.

I believe there is no hyperbole in any of that. There is no evidence that Jesus is speaking anything but truth.

 

[Muffled]

There is evidence in the scripture for this, but anti-divinity people pick and choose the things that support what they don't believe.

I believe I go by the Holy Spirit so I do not fit in with other people. I believe I am not anti-divinity. I am against believing that God is more than one Spirit. I can understand why it appears that way because of His omnipresence but He is still one no matter where He is.

 

[dybmh]

I believe there is no hyperbole in any of that. There is no evidence that Jesus is speaking anything but truth.

Hyperbole is gross exaggertion.

Has anyone come close to moving a mountain?
Has anyone done anything close to what Jesus ( supposedly ) did? Not to mention more?
Has anyone eaten his flesh and blood? has anyone even come close to eating his flesh and blood?

These are all exaggerations. They can be true IF they are greatly minimized and reduced.

 

[101G]

101G, How is it that some one can be EQUAL TO GOD if he IS GOD?

Is GOD EQUAL TO GOD?

It takes TWO to make an EQUALITY.

Is God EQUAL TO Jesus?

that's why you're still blind. .... YOU DON'T READ. now listen carefully.

A. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

B. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

did either one of the scriptures said, "TO" God? NO.... but "WITH" God. what did that tell us?

101G.

 

[Colt]

I believe I go by the Holy Spirit so I do not fit in with other people. I believe I am not anti-divinity. I am against believing that God is more than one Spirit. I can understand why it appears that way because of His omnipresence but He is still one no matter where He is.

Plural manifestation of the One God.

 

[Soapy]

that's why you're still blind. .... YOU DON'T READ. now listen carefully.

A. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

B. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

did either one of the scriptures said, "TO" God? NO.... but "WITH" God. what did that tell us?

101G.

‘Equal WITH GOD’?
‘Equal to God’…
Yes:

• ‘who, being in the form of God, thought [it] not something to be seized to be equal to God,’ (Literal Standard Version’
• ‘who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal to God,’ (Young’s Literal Translation)

You mean like there is Jesus and there is God and the two are equal rulers with (alongside) each other?

 

[101G]

Agreed!
See my post in thread 'Does God require a creator?'
Does God require a creator?

you answered your on belief.

No, I don’t claim to know everything, or even to know that “God does not exist”, or anything like that; the truth of that proposition would seem to be as unverifiable as that of the proposition that “God does exist”.

no human can claim anything. (THAT'S THE POINT). understand .... this is a created world. meaning it has a "CREATOR". knowing that, the proof is in the creation itself. learn the creation, one will learn God.

101G

 

[Muffled]

Hyperbole is gross exaggertion.

Has anyone come close to moving a mountain?
Has anyone done anything close to what Jesus ( supposedly ) did? Not to mention more?
Has anyone eaten his flesh and blood? has anyone even come close to eating his flesh and blood?

These are all exaggerations. They can be true IF they are greatly minimized and reduced.

I believe a great deal has been done.

I believe no-one has eaten the flesh or drunken the blood of Jesus but it is not an exaggeration. It is a metaphor. So when we eat bread and drink grape juice we are metaphorically taking in the flesh and blood of Jesus. The same thing happened at the last supper. They also ate bread and drank wine while He was saying this and referring to the bread as His flesh and the wine as His blood metaphorically.

 

[101G]

101G, what is the FORM of God?

Does God have a Form… Does SPIRIT have a Form?

A. Spirit, which he fills both Heaven and Earth ... see Jer 23:23 & 24.
B. dose God has a "FORM", ... OUTWARD? in Intrinsic Spatial, YES, it's call a body.

101G.

 

[Muffled]

Plural manifestation of the One God.

I believe God manifests Himself many ways but the Trinity is special. BTW a manifestation is a show which is basically what Sabellius was saying.

 

[101G]

‘Equal WITH GOD’?

You mean like there is Jesus and there is God and the two are equal rulers with (alongside) each other?

Don't be silly, LISTEN and LEARN..... DIVERSITY, the Same of Another. Teaching scripture,

A, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
the First is "WITH" the Last correct...... now how many PERSON is it? answer ONLY "ONE" PERSON. let's see it.

B. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

now soapy, tell us, "How many Person(s) is it in these two verses? the floor is yours....... your answer please.



now the Revelation is "ALSO" in John 1:1 ....... (smile).

101G