10 commandments need amending!

[javajo]

give yourself a little credit.
this is very depressing

Its true, though. My sins more numerous than I can count or even remember. My only hope is that Jesus died for me.

 

[Beta]

give yourself a little credit.
this is very depressing

It's called facing 'spiritual facts' as our friend javajo has pointed out.
We all sin and get things wrong that cause problems for someone along the line.
To acknowledge that fact and desire to become perfect with God's/Christ's help is what man has to aim for if not in this life then in the life to come. That is what God is all about and man must become aware of it. :yes:

 

[ninerbuff]

I can only share what I believe from my heart. I know God is holy and I am not. His laws are written even in our heart, our conscience. I do know that I am a guilty, low-down, snake in the grass sinner, nobody needs to point out my sins, I am very well aware of them. Perhaps the law was written for people who think they are pretty good, I dunno. I do know that I am a terrible sinner and I am thankful for a Saviour who loved me and died for my sins.

Nothing like negative re enforcement to keep the minions in line. This god fellow has a good racket going on. Good thing I don't think negatively about myself.

 

[uu_sage]

If I were to reformat the Commandments in a more accessible format, I would incorporate Jesus's two central commandments of loving God with all being and loving others as you love oneself, alongside George Carlin's two commandments of thou shalt always be honest and faithful.

 

[Beta]

If I were to reformat the Commandments in a more accessible format, I would incorporate Jesus's two central commandments of loving God with all being and loving others as you love oneself, alongside George Carlin's two commandments of thou shalt always be honest and faithful.

Jesus' 2 Commandments ARE INCORPORATED in the 10, the first 4 dealing with loving God and the other 6 with loving others. The 10 are just a little more detailed in HOW we should love. :bow:

 

[ninerbuff]

Jesus' 2 Commandments ARE INCORPORATED in the 10, the first 4 dealing with loving God and the other 6 with loving others. The 10 are just a little more detailed in HOW we should love. :bow:

Dang I thought coveting your neighbor's wife was "loving" her a different way!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Jesus' 2 Commandments ARE INCORPORATED in the 10, the first 4 dealing with loving God and the other 6 with loving others. The 10 are just a little more detailed in HOW we should love. :bow:

There's nothing about love in the Ten Commandments. Obedience is not the same thing as love.

 

[Falvlun]

I find it interesting that the Christians in this thread are much more focused on how the 10 commandments affects them personally, and the non-religious are much more focused on how the 10 commandments affects others.

 

[sniper762]

lets see. moses was on the mountain writing the commandments on both sides of the two tablets for 40 days and nights. ONLY TEN?

 

[AuroraWillow]

lets see. moses was on the mountain writing the commandments on both sides of the two tablets for 40 days and nights. ONLY TEN?

.....I think you're getting your myths confused there buddy.

 

[sniper762]

HAVE I?

EX 34

27 And the Lord said unto Moses, aWrite thou these words: for bafter the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28 And he was there with the Lord aforty days and forty nights; he did neither beat bread, nor drink water. And he cwrote upon the tables the words of the dcovenant, the eten fcommandments.
29 ¶ And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the atwo btables of testimony in Moses’ hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses cwist not that the skin of his face dshone while he talked with him.

 

[Beta]

There's nothing about love in the Ten Commandments. Obedience is not the same thing as love.

So in the NT Jesus summarised the 10 Commandments into 2 Mark12v30,31. Since they are the same as the Old 'love' abounds in them all. There are non so blind as those who don't want to see.:cover:

 

[Beta]

EX 34
27 And the Lord said unto Moses, aWrite thou these words: for bafter the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28 And he was there with the Lord aforty days and forty nights; he did neither beat bread, nor drink water. And he cwrote upon the tables the words of the dcovenant, the eten fcommandments.
29 ¶ And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the atwo btables of testimony in Moses’ hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses cwist not that the skin of his face dshone while he talked with him.

The Commandments were originally given by GOD Himself to Israel Ex.20v1, and were only repeated AFTERWARDS through Moses when the people REFUSED to further hear GOD Ex.20v19. So truly they are not a law of Moses and therefore never abolished as were the rest.:no:

 

[sniper762]

but many christians think that moses came down from the mountain with ONLY ten commandments written on the tablets (as depicted by many photos). i believe that the tablets contained much more. (as stated in the scriptures).

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So in the NT Jesus summarised the 10 Commandments into 2 Mark12v30,31. Since they are the same as the Old 'love' abounds in them all. There are non so blind as those who don't want to see.:cover:

And there's no tradition so old as eisegesis. Just because the NT claims something about the OT doesn't mean that the OT had it there to begin with.

You could hate God, hate your neighbour, and obey the 10 Commandments out of fear, and you'd still meet every jot and tittle of them.

 

[Beta]

but many christians think that moses came down from the mountain with ONLY ten commandments written on the tablets (as depicted by many photos). i believe that the tablets contained much more. (as stated in the scriptures).

Does scripture actually say all laws, judgements and statutes were written on tablets of stone ?

 

[Beta]

And there's no tradition so old as eisegesis. Just because the NT claims something about the OT doesn't mean that the OT had it there to begin with.

You could hate God, hate your neighbour, and obey the 10 Commandments out of fear, and you'd still meet every jot and tittle of them.

Remember obedience to God is not forced on people but free choice.
Anyone who hates God and neighbour and still obeys out of fear would be in a fairly deranged mental state.

 

[sniper762]

beta, you read the scriptures pertaining to moses writing the commandments he received from god on the mountain and make your own conclusion

EX 34

27 And the Lord said unto Moses, aWrite thou these words: for bafter the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28 And he was there with the Lord aforty days and forty nights; he did neither beat bread, nor drink water. And he cwrote upon the tables the words of the dcovenant, the eten fcommandments.
29 ¶ And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the atwo btables of testimony in Moses’ hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses cwist not that the skin of his face dshone while he talked with him.

TEN COMMANDMENTS GIVEN TO MOSES
EX 20 1-17
MOSES COMES DOWN FROM SANAI AND SPEAKS
EX 20 19 - EX 23 33
MOSES SUMMONDED TO SANAI 40 DAYS AND NIGHTS
EX 24 12-18
MOSES RECEIVES TABERNACLE PLANS FROM GOD
EX 25 1 - EX 31 18
MOSES SPOKEN TO BY GOD FROM THE BURNING BUSH
EX 3 1-23 - EX 4 1-23
TEN COMMANDMENTS TABLETS
EX 31 18
GOLDEN CALF MADE
EX 32 1-35
TEN COMMANDMENTS TABLETS
EX 32 15-16
TEN COMMANDMENTS TABLETS BROKEN
EX 32 19
MOSES, GOD TELLS TO KILL 3000 ISRAELITES
EX 32 27-28
MOSES SPEAKS TO GOD FACE TO FACE
EX 33 11
MOSES, TOLD BY GOD THAT HE CANNOT SEE HIS FACE
EX 33 20-23
TEN COMMANDMENTS, 2ND SET MOSES RECEIVES
EX 34 1-28


especially ex 34:10-29

 

[MurphtheSurf]

So 1-4 is about god's ego. 5 is still good (unless you have an adopted child and the couple is a same sex couple). 6,7,8,9,10 are good to go too.
But where is rape? Where is molestation? Where is treating each individual kindly and fairly (no discrimination)? Not to enslave? And lastly, turn of that cellphone.

I'm sure god foresaw these problems, so why weren't commandments included to dissuade them?

You didn't read far enough yet.

 

[Beta]

'Fraid I do not agree with the first 2 points so I see the foundation to your reasoning wrong.
Ex.20v1 And GOD spoke all these words saying......(God spoke personally to the children of Israel , not Moses)
Ex.20v19 Moses does not come down from the mountain, Moses is right there with them in the assembly v19,20 and Deut.5v22, 23-27.
The 10 Commandments were never just the law of Moses which ceased to exist after the OT. The 10 originate with GOD , are spiritual and eternal and Paul refers to as holy, just and good in Rom.7. The old law were all the added physical requirements needed to help keep the 10 spiritual Commandments and these added laws were abolished in Christ on the cross but not the spiritual law of Commandments .So the added physical works of the law became obsolete since we now have Christ to help us spiritually to keep the 10.