100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid - Dr. Hovind

[savagewind]

What other thing? I never claimed to know anything about the "oven".

Well, I hate to think of the repercussions but I'll say it because you have asked. The other thing is abiogenesis (duck). You have no proof. But you don't need proof so I'm just fritting away some time because I think I have a good excuse. Do you want to know what it is?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

All of them are in accordance with reality by varying degrees. Thus, according to the Oxford dictionary of english, they are at least partly true.

"Partly true" isn't true.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What good points do you think Dr. Distortion has made?

 

[Me Myself]

"Partly true" isn't true.

Thats a narrow and personal appreciation with no objective basis to stand on.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well, I hate to think of the repercussions but I'll say it because you have asked. The other thing is abiogenesis (duck). You have no proof. But you don't need proof so I'm just fritting away some time because I think I have a good excuse. Do you want to know what it is?

I didn't see him making any positive claims about abiogenesis.

We saw you making positive claims about the god you believe in.

See the difference?

 

[savagewind]

I didn't see him making any positive claims about abiogenesis.

We saw you making positive claims about the god you believe in.

See the difference?

Everyone claims life has nothing to do with life's development and nobody can see I am guest at the Mad Hatter's Tea.....And I am 57 but young at heart, which is good.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Everyone claims life has nothing to do with life's development and nobody can see I am guest at the Mad Hatter's Tea.....And I am 57 but young at heart, which is good.

No, no. They're saying the origin of life is a separate theory or explanation than the explanation for the diversity of life on the planet. And they're right.

 

[Falvlun]

Explanation one fails to mention the heated oven.

No, it didn't. It even specified what the heat shall be. And that the cookies were removed from it. It did, though, fail to mention oven mitts. Damn oversight!

God is the heated oven.

I didn't know that Sears made Gods.

Regardless, no, the oven in Explanation 1 is your ordinary, every day sort of oven.

God is the source of material. God is the plan, God is the time it takes. God is the will to make cookies. God is the ability to read the recipe and make cookies. God wrote the recipe.

1. How do you know this? Evidence?

2. How is any of that relevant, or even necessary, for the successful making of cookies?

Could you attempt to actually answer the questions put forth in my cookie post?

Please explain why it is necessary to know where the recipe came from in order to know that the recipe works for making cookies.

 

[outhouse]

I hope Hovind gets more then whats coming to him.

Kent Hovind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sentencing, appeals, and imprisonment (2007–current)

On January 19, 2007, Hovind was sentenced to ten years in prison and ordered to pay the federal government restitution of over $600,000.


Why should we listen to a CONVICT with no real scientific training????????????????????

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

An idiot is an idiot; being a convict has nothing to do with it. Nelson Mandela was a convict.

 

[Alceste]

Well, I hate to think of the repercussions but I'll say it because you have asked. The other thing is abiogenesis (duck). You have no proof. But you don't need proof so I'm just fritting away some time because I think I have a good excuse. Do you want to know what it is?

I will be happy to discuss the research into abiogenesis with you if you like, but you must acknowledge that if we want to explore that subject we are departing from the topic of evolution (AKA biology) and entering an different scientific discipline: chemistry.

 

[Me Myself]

Please explain why it is necessary to know where the recipe came from in order to know that the recipe works for making cookies.

and now you summarized it even better

Seriously, I will come back when I can and give you frubals for this!

Any creationist could do well answering this question

 

[savagewind]

No, no. They're saying the origin of life is a separate theory or explanation than the explanation for the diversity of life on the planet. And they're right.

Yes, they are extremely right and I applaud them for being so picky ooney but with style and grace. :clap

 

[savagewind]

I will be happy to discuss the research into abiogenesis with you if you like, but you must acknowledge that if we want to explore that subject we are departing from the topic of evolution (AKA biology) and entering an different scientific discipline: chemistry.

I love chemistry

 

[Alceste]

I love chemistry

Cool! So shall we leave the subject of evolution and get into the subject of abiogenesis? They're completely different subjects and you don't need to understand one to understand the other. This is a reasonably good general overview of the state of abiogenesis research:

Abiogenesis

Here is where we're at:

It turns out that it’s pretty easy to form many kinds of organic molecules, in a wide range of environments … so the focus of research today is on how life could arise from any particular brew. And the hard part is how reliable self-replication get going (if you can make some sort of primitive cell in a test tube, it isn’t a form of life if it can’t reproduce itself!). So far, it seems that RNA and DNA cannot have been involved (too hard to form and stay stable), but several simpler kinds of molecules may work.

If you would like to see the evidence of the bold part, I can find you any number of studies that make up our evidence that organic molecules can spontaneously form due to the natural principles of chemical reaction. For the italic part, we're not there yet, but some of our best and brightest minds on earth are working on it and I can find you examples of promising research being done right now. What we don't know now, we will know soon. Certainly in your lifetime. Science is fast.

 

[savagewind]

Cool! So shall we leave the subject of evolution and get into the subject of abiogenesis? They're completely different subjects and you don't need to understand one to understand the other. This is a reasonably good general overview of the state of abiogenesis research:

Abiogenesis

Here is where we're at:



If you would like to see the evidence of the bold part, I can find you any number of studies that make up our evidence that organic molecules can spontaneously form due to the natural principles of chemical reaction. For the italic part, we're not there yet, but some of our best and brightest minds on earth are working on it and I can find you examples of promising research being done right now. What we don't know now, we will know soon. Certainly in your lifetime. Science is fast.

Yes. It might be well to take this to your own thread. What do you think?
I might have been a chemist if I wasn't so clueless. It did not occur to me for one second that I could do chemical research even though chemistry was my favorite subject in high school circa 1970.

 

[Alceste]

Yes. It might be well to take this to your own thread. What do you think?
I might have been a chemist if I wasn't so clueless. It did not occur to me for one second that I could do chemical research even though chemistry was my favorite subject in high school circa 1970.

Well, it is relevant to this thread, I think, since Hovind's defenders seem to be saying that his questions about abiogenesis are among his most compelling reasons for saying evolution is stupid. We have established that abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution. We can still discuss whether or not abiogenesis is stupid - and we'll be helping to establish whether or not Kent Hovind is stupid. Directly relevant to the OP!

 

[gnostic]

OK. Did you get the drift why he evades his taxes? I do not know but by looking at what I do know I believe he has taken a stand against paying for lies in textbooks which is just one place his taxes go. I say bravo! Have fun in prison. Did you watch it? Did anyone watch it?

You're joking, aren't you?

Taxes aren't the only things he cheated.

He has no educational background in science, so how could he possibly critique biology, whether it be evolutionary or not?

And all his so-called degrees are fake, purchased from diploma mill, showed that he is not entitled to have the "Dr" salutation added to his name. The level of his dishonesty knows no bounds. The only thing he is good at, is distorting the truth.

I see him as nothing more than as an incompetent creationist con-man.

So why would I watch some pseudoscience bull-crap video of a dishonest creationist?

So if you want to believe in the lies that come out of his mouth, then that's really your problem. I'm not going to try educate you anything on science.

 

[savagewind]

Well, it is relevant to this thread, I think, since Hovind's defenders seem to be saying that his questions about abiogenesis are among his most compelling reasons for saying evolution is stupid. We have established that abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution. We can still discuss whether or not abiogenesis is stupid - and we'll be helping to establish whether or not Kent Hovind is stupid. Directly relevant to the OP!

OK I'm in

 

[savagewind]

You're joking, aren't you?

If you're not, then you are just dishonest as Hovind.

Taxes aren't the only things he cheated.

He has no educational background in science, so how could he possibly critique biology, whether it be evolutionary or not?

And all his so-called degrees are fake, purchased from diploma mill, showed that he is not entitled to have the "Dr" salutation added to his name. The level of his dishonesty knows no bounds. The only thing he is good at, is distorting the truth.

I see him as nothing more than as an incompetent creationist con-man.

So why would I watch some pseudoscience bull-crap video of a dishonest creationist?

Anyone who believe any words that come from his mouth, is either stupid (as being conned by him) or dishonest like himself.

So if you want to believe in the lies that come out of his mouth, then that's really your problem. I'm not going to try educate you anything on science, because you are already have waste my time with your delusional praises of compulsive liar.

Do you know what propaganda is? Yes, you do. It is twisting the truth so it comes out the way YOU want it to. He took college classes at an unaccredited school. Do you know what that means? It does not mean "his degrees are fake purchased from a diploma mill". It means no one who cares about the status quo cares about his degree. It doesn't mean he did not learn anything like you say. You are exactly the same as he is in my opinion.