12 Ways to Spot a Misogynist

[freethinker44]

Lots of men are very concerned about a woman's appearance. Women are bombarded with pressure from a bunch of different sources to maintain a minimum appearance. Advertisement is a major one.

I would be interested in seeing a study done about how media ideals for women's bodies and what men look for in a woman's appearance. I'm willing to bet there would not be a correlation.

If they are mugshots of prostitutes, chances are very good they are a street walker working in a dangerous area, and possibly drug addicted. And, of course, you can find prostitutes of many ethnicities and body types. And lots of prostitutes, probably most, do not have any mugshots or criminal records.

I think you missed my point. I wasn't commenting about how women are prostitutes, I was just trying to put in terms of a supply and demand model. It would be like someone saying people's tastes for food are too refined and everything should be made from a gourmet menu, but then if that were true how would they explain fast food? Clearly the taste's aren't that refined. And that's what I'm saying of men with the prostitute thing. How can women suggest that men have this impossible body ideal for women, when the ugliest prostitute you can think of has no problem finding men to pay to be with her? Clearly, there's a disconnect in logic there. What I'm saying, is maybe that impossible body image is really to impress other women and not men.

When Beyonce has thigh gap photoshoped onto her, that's not misogyny from men, that's misogyny from women because I guarantee you no guy is going to say she's un****able because she doesn't have thigh gap. That's women saying her body isn't good enough.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think you missed my point. I wasn't commenting about how women are prostitutes, I was just trying to put in terms of a supply and demand model.

And you missed my point that you are examining a very small sample that is not representative of the whole.

I would be interested in seeing a study done about how media ideals for women's bodies and what men look for in a woman's appearance. I'm willing to bet there would not be a correlation.

There actually is. As non-Western nations become Westernized, they start to see anorexia and bulimia appear, and those two eating disorders were very rarely seen outside of Western culture before the modern-era of marketing and advertisement. And they are finding that their men are becoming more interested in the Western looking women and less interested in their cultures ideal of a traditional woman.

When Beyonce has thigh gap photoshoped onto her, that's not misogyny from men, that's misogyny from women because I guarantee you no guy is going to say she's un****able because she doesn't have thigh gap. That's women saying her body isn't good enough.

Woman and men are photo shopped in such ways. It's not women saying her body isn't good enough, it's a small group of people who are pumping millions of dollars into researching what physical attributes most people find most appealing and attractive, and then giving us the illusion that all the models, both men and women, that they find for these advertisements of a hyper-sex appeal look like that, and it plants the seeds that "I" should look like that.
Such things can easily be found in numerous social sciences textbooks, ranging from psychology, sociology, and anthropology.

 

[Revoltingest]

Has anyone ever overheard women in an office environment talking about fashion?
I have. They dress for each other....not so much for men.
And they enforce a demanding dress code.
Advertisers know this.
Women are their own worst enemy.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Has anyone ever overheard women in an office environment talking about fashion?
I have. They dress for each other....not so much for men.
And they enforce a demanding dress code.

Then how do you explain how it is happening to men?

 

[Revoltingest]

Then how do you explain how it is happening to men?

Men are far less fashion aware & observant.
But the rise of the metrosexual could be changing things.

 

[freethinker44]

Then how do you explain how it is happening to men?

Because men are people too.

 

[Revoltingest]

Because men are people too.

That's ridiculous!
Men are just mostly human.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Men are far less fashion aware & observant.

It's not just fashion. Women have things like large-but-not-too-large breasts and a thigh gap pressured onto them, men have rock-hard abs and a chiseled physique being pressured onto them. There was even the one comic recently posted on another thread that basically said men have to have big muscles to stand up for himself and impress his girl.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not just fashion. Women have things like large-but-not-too-large breasts and a thigh gap pressured onto them, men have rock-hard abs and a chiseled physique being pressured onto them. There was even the one comic recently posted on another thread that basically said men have to have big muscles to stand up for himself and impress his girl.

It just doesn't work that way.
Men generally care far less about fashion than do women.
One glance at Mrs Revolt & me would illustrate that most cromulently!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It just doesn't work that way.
Men generally care far less about fashion than do women.

I just pointed out it's more than fashion, and even gave a fitting example that was recently posted on another thread that supports my claim.

 

[Revoltingest]

I just pointed out it's more than fashion, and even gave a fitting example that was recently posted on another thread that supports my claim.

I argue that we're both right.
Grrrrr!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Men generally care far less about fashion than do women.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course there are exceptions.
I'm a fashion maven.
Vintage Hawaiian shirts, loud socks with sandals, & baggy cargo pants make a statement.

 

[illykitty]

Then how do you explain how it is happening to men?

Maybe there isn't that perception in the west because it still isn't quite to the same extant as with women or some other places. For instance, in South Korea or Japan, men care A LOT about how they look. For instance, there's tons of face products for men there. People are judged more on how they look (especially in South Korea where you often have to put a photo of yourself with the CV), it's usually based on clothes, skin and hair, size too but it depends (for example, if you Google "good chubby Japan" you'll see a perspective on size and looks).

So advertising can pressure anyone, it just depends on who they decide to target. It's just that at the moment, the focus is on women in the west, and while men do have an "ideal" image of being fit, they aren't as much focused on with products and such in advertising.

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As for the OP, I don't think you need a list to spot a misogynist or anyone who discriminates against a group and doesn't believe in equality. It's not rocket science, it's quite obvious when it happens.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So advertising can pressure anyone, it just depends on who they decide to target. It's just that at the moment, the focus is on women in the west, and while men do have an "ideal" image of being fit, they aren't as much focused on with products and such in advertising.

I'm not denying it's worse for women, but it's terrible to think men are immune to this. They aren't, and men, even in the West, care more about looks than what people are realizing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As for the OP, I don't think you need a list to spot a misogynist or anyone who discriminates against a group and doesn't believe in equality. It's not rocket science, it's quite obvious when it happens.

So true. I've known quite a few guys who go on about "this is what happens when a woman does this" or "this is a women shouldn't do that." If you need a list to know that is misogynistic, if you need to be told what it is, you're probably one yourself.

 

[illykitty]

I'm not denying it's worse for women, but it's terrible to think men are immune to this. They aren't, and men, even in the West, care more about looks than what people are realizing.

I agree, which is why I brought up the examples of South Korea and Japan. Men are not immune to this. It's not a "gender" problem, it depends on who advertising decides to target.

 

[Thanda]

I agree, which is why I brought up the examples of South Korea and Japan. Men are not immune to this. It's not a "gender" problem, it depends on who advertising decides to target.

I disagree. It isn't just a matter of who the advertisers target. Advertisers target people weaknesses. So advertising agencies are more likely to take their queues for the prevailing culture than the culture is likely to follow advertising. Trust me, all companies care about is sales and profit. If targeting men with getting hair product and make up would make them more money they would do it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I disagree. It isn't just a matter of who the advertisers target. Advertisers target people weaknesses. So advertising agencies are more likely to take their queues for the prevailing culture than the culture is likely to follow advertising. Trust me, all companies care about is sales and profit. If targeting men with getting hair product and make up would make them more money they would do it.

They don't do it by appealing to the prevailing culture, but by bombarding anywhere they set up shop with advertisements. Fashion, tobacco, food/beverage, cars, they all do it, they all prey upon the mind, and bring the wanton consumer culture and all its destruction to places that previously consumed little.

 

[Thanda]

They don't do it by appealing to the prevailing culture, but by bombarding anywhere they set up shop with advertisements. Fashion, tobacco, food/beverage, cars, they all do it, they all prey upon the mind, and bring the wanton consumer culture and all its destruction to places that previously consumed little.

I'm not sure I'm understanding you. Do you disagree that if all it took to get men to be so concerned about their bodies was to simply advertise to them (without regard to the prevailing culture) that cosmetic companies, weight loss companies etc. would be bombarding men with the same ideals of bodily perfection in order to sell more?