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13yrs of Labour (UK)

Scarlett Wampus

psychonaut
Octavia, this is Conservative party propaganda. I hate Labour with a vengeance but I'm certainly not going to remember Labour the way the Conservatives want me too! LOL try again.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I have never been a labour supporter, But if it had not been for the Bankers and money men they would still be in power today.

As a result of the banks errors we can no longer afford the Labour program... much of which was excellent.

The war in Iraq was an error of judgement of both Bush and Blair. But it was one that had almost universal support at the time.

The cuts that are now forced on the country are not a result of labour policy, but the result of their clearing up the Bankers mess.
That mess started in the USA and spread in a domino effect to virtually every country in the world.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I suspect the tyranny of the Labour Party shall soon be forgotten due to the disastrous repercussions of the Conservative Party's even more despicable tyranny.
 

Noaidi

slow walker
Long live the Lib-Con Coalition!

Octavia156

Surely not. The Lib-Con coalition was political manoeuvering at its best. I was deeply disappointed with the Liberals when they joined with Cameron - and I'm not even a Liberal supporter.
The last thing the UK needs is a predominantly Conservative government. In Scotland, they are a despised party and justifiably so. Remember Thatcher?
 
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Octavia156

OTO/EGC
Octavia156

Surely not. The Lib-Con coalition was political manoeuvering at its best. I was deeply disappointed with the Liberals when they joined with Cameron - and I'm not even a Liberal supporter.
The last thing the UK needs is a predominantly Conservative government. In Scotland, they are a despised party and justifiably so. Remember Thatcher?


I remember Thatcher.

But Thatcherism isn't Conservatism - its a particularly harsh form of Conservatism, but Cameron is no Thatcher.
For a start - he's all about Big Society and not the Individual as Thatcher was.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
LOL voting for a party with a different tie colour won't do jack.

End of the day they're all in on it together, collectively screwing everyone else. Besides, Bankers and CEOs make all the real decisions for our country anyways. Politics and "Democracy" (even though we're technically not a Democracy anyways) is just a Pantomime to stop the masses from rebelling.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I remember Thatcher.

But Thatcherism isn't Conservatism - its a particularly harsh form of Conservatism, but Cameron is no Thatcher.
For a start - he's all about Big Society and not the Individual as Thatcher was.

LOL - you know that "Big Society" is Cameron's code for the privatization of everything left in the public sector? Selling off hospitals, for example, to for-profit US health corporations? Slashing benefits, even for those who are physically or mentally incapable of working and leaving it to charities to figure out what to do with them? I think you are too easily beguiled by pretty words.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Cameron does not come from a line of village grocers, so he has a more convincing smile than Thatcher. I expect he will do an proper upper crust job of Shafting.
 

Scarlett Wampus

psychonaut
Octavia, what do you think will happen as huge numbers of qualified skilled workers are replaced by volunteers & benefit slaves? (motivated by duty & passion, according to Cameron.)

Cameron is not some new kind of Socialist. His cabinet are doing exactly what Conservatives traditionally do; they're serving the interests of the most powerful & rich as best they can.

The Big Society is a re-branding of the old Conservative agenda to make it appear motivated by communitarian concerns. As well as providing an excuse for the Conservatives to go even further than Thatcher in selling off public services to private interests it will help deflect responsibility away from the Conservatives as the standard of living drops for the majority of citizens. That probably means you.

An overall worsening of the economic situation in the UK is unavoidable for the time being. That means people will need to rely on public services more than ever. Given that is the case, how is it possible to get away with massively cutting the funding for public services and further undermining them by allowing big business to bury roots into the eroding infrastructure? By suggesting its all about putting power back into the hands of the people! Its that simple and its that audacious.

*hysterical laughter*

*dry heaving*

Seriously, have you considered your freedom to work in any EU country means you could relocate to Germany, France or, with an easy to acquire residence permit, somewhere in Scandinavia?
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Here's a glimpse of things to come - the real life prototype for the national implementation of Cameron's "compassionate conservatism":

In 2006, a group of rebranded "compassionate Conservatives" beat Labour for control of Hammersmith and Fulham Council, a long stretch of west London. George Osborne says the work they have done since then will be a "model" for a new Conservative government, while Cameron has singled them out as a council he is especially "proud" of.

People who took this at face value were startled by the first act of the Conservatives on assuming power – a crackdown on the homeless. They immediately sold off 12 homeless shelters, handing them to large property developers. The horrified charity Crisis was offered premises by the BBC to house the abandoned in a shelter over the Christmas period at least. The council refused permission. They said the homeless were a "law and order issue", and a shelter would attract undesirables to the area.

A young woman – let's called her Jane Phillips, because she wants to remain anonymous – turned up at the council's emergency housing office one night, sobbing and shaking. She was eight months pregnant. She explained she was being beaten up by her boyfriend and had finally fled because she was frightened for her unborn child. The council said they would "investigate" her situation to find "proof of homelessness" – but she told them she had nowhere to go while they carried it out. By law, they were required to provide her with emergency shelter. They refused. They suggested she try to find a flat on the private market.

For four nights, she slept in the local park, on the floor. She is still traumatised by the memories of lying, pregnant and abandoned, in one of the wealthiest parts of Europe.

Since they came to power, the Conservatives are housing half as many homeless people as Labour – even though the recession has caused a surge in homelessness. That's a huge number of Janes lying in parks, or on rotting mattresses by Hammersmith Bridge.

Debbie Domb, 51, is a teacher who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1994. She had to give up work, and now she needs 24/7 care. After being lifted up by a large metal harness and placed in her wheelchair so she can talk to me, she explains: "This was always such a great place to live if you were disabled. You were really treated well. Then this new council was elected and it's been so frightening... The first thing that happened when they came in was that they announced any disabled person they assessed as having 'lower moderate' needs was totally cut off. So people who needed help having a shower, or getting dressed, had that lifeline taken away completely. Then they started sending the rest of us bills."

She "panicked" when a bill came through saying she had to pay £12.50 for every hour of care she needed. "I thought, 'Oh my God, how am I going to do this?' The more care you need, the higher your bill, so the most disabled people got the highest charges. Everyone was distraught.

Now they're being taken to debt-collection agencies for non-payment. I know an 82-year-old woman who's never been debt in her life who is being taken to a debt-collection agency for care she needs just to keep going... They want volunteers to do it instead. But you don't want to have to ask your friends or a volunteer to pull up your knickers for you."

The cost of almost all council services has sky-rocketed, to fund tax cuts that disproportionately benefit the wealthy.

Next to a big council estate I stumble across the large red-brick Castle Youth Club. It was built in Dickens' time and bequeathed to the local council "to benefit the children of this area for perpetuity". The Conservatives shut it down two years ago to sell it off. The deal fell through, so now it sits empty while the local kids hang around on the streets outside.

Ricky Scott, 18, tells me what it used to be like: "It was a really good place. When I left school they found me a part-time job at Sainsbury's – they taught me how to write a CV – and they persuaded me to go to college. They gave you a place to go to stay out of trouble, they got you into the gym, they helped us learn loads of stuff ... They did a lot to teach us about knife crime and how to stop it. When my friend was stabbed they helped us organise a big campaign about knives." After the youth club was closed, there was a surge in anti-social behaviour orders in the area. Ricky isn't surprised. "People don't want us on the streets, but then they take away the only place for us to go, so what do they expect? It feels like we used to have some good things but now they've all been taken away. It always gets taken away."

And in this boarded-up youth club, in Debbie's panic, in the image of Jane and her bump on the floor of the park, I realise I am peering into the reality of David Cameron's "Big Society". The council here told people that if they took away services like this, there would be volunteers; if the state withered away, people would start to provide the services for each other. But nobody opened their home to Jane, or volunteered to feed Debbie, or started a new youth club on their own time and with their own money. The state retreated and the service collapsed. It's a rebranding trick. The Conservatives know that shutting down public services sounds cruel, while calling for volunteerism sounds kind – but the effect is exactly the same.

There's much more where that came from, if you follow the link.
 
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HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
I sometimes wish the people who throw words like "tyranny" around about conventional democratic governments could live in a *real* tyrannical dictatorship for a little while so they could gain a little perspective.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Their tyranny should not be forgotton..


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YouTube - ‪13 years of Labour‬‎

Neither should the Conservatives tyrany be forgotten,afterall they sold off most of the countries assets,British Gas,British Rail,Coal,the Telecoms industry,the Steel industry, look what they did to the Miners during theThatcherite years now theres a real tyrant.

You would be hard pushed to find much difference between New Labour and the Conservatives as they are both absolutely useless and it is entirely shamefull that only 40% of the British voters turn out to vote in an election that has enabled them to screw up this country in a big way.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member

Yes i agree that was calamatous and i hate Labour for its incompetence but to believe that Cameron and Clegg will give us this miracle big society is a load of spin,inevitably what will happen is the rich and poor divide will become wider and Cameron and Clegg and their likes will just as Thatcher did make a nice bit of money and end up with a title and a huge mess for the next Government who in turn will do exactly the same.
 
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