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Draka
Wonder Woman
Has anyone ever thought that, since different men wrote different parts of the bible, that they may have used different time frames? We already know that the information throughout the bible is not fluid and cohesive. If you consider that lifespans have been increasing throughout time, not decreasing, then it stands to reason that people would have lived for much shorter timespans in that era than now. It is possible that the ones tracking lifespans were using lunar months instead of solar years. Divide 600, 700, 800, and 900 by 13 (lunar months to a year) and you get...46, 54, 61, and 69. Ages, for that era, that would be considered old to extremely old.
Charity
Let's go racing boys !
That's easy No smoking:cigar:, they ate the right kind of foods, no artificial additives, no
,:hotdog: ,opcorn:,Junk food. Unpolluted water, They got plenty of :sleep:They were pretty much a bunch of happy campers :camp: and probably best of all they had no :computer: to sit at most of the night.
Oh Well, so much for a long life , but gosh think of the money we are saving on plastic surgery if we lived to be nine hundred or so...................plus the make up, etc.
Make every day count
peace Charity
It because at the beginning Adam and Eve were created perfect, but when they sinned they became imperfect, so therefore they died, but passed on their imperfectness to all their children.
The live get shorterv and shorter because the perfection got bred out of the line of man and our bodies became weak
Remember one fact that scientists have said. Hukans regenerate every seven years, until the age of 21 when wee start to slowly die. thats the imperfection of sin stopping our bodies from keeping on being young and healthy.
But we have the hope of God maing things right for us in the end
Draka
Wonder Woman
Repeat yourself much?
Repeat yourself much?
Repeat yourself much?
Saying it over and over and over doesn't make it any less of a false statement, sorry to inform you. First off, Adam and Eve didn't exist. Genesis, if not complete fiction, would be allegorical, not literal, as we know for fact that the earth did not come to be in the way that was described. Second, we, the human species, HAVE been getting older, taller, and more intelligent as a whole. We have not degraded, we have improved.
Honestly though, if you were to seriously read my post and stop yourself from your knee-jerk reaction to repeat yourself about Adam and Eve...it makes sense. Do the math. If the unit for measurement was simply called a different word than we currently use..."year" for "lunar month"...add into that that different books of the bible were written by different men and it is entirely possible that they weren't all using the same descriptor words for the same periods of time. But I guess, perhaps, a logical analysis of such a book is too much for some people to handle.
Charity
Let's go racing boys !
They didn't have preservatives in their food
Their diet consisted of healthy food
They didn't have the stress that people have today
They didn't lay around on the couch and watch tv...(probably because there was neither)
They got more exercise
Maybe the stories were fiction and they didn't really live that long....
...OrMaybe they lived longer because they didn't have Phasmid around to have to answer this type of question..................
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Myths and fairy tales need fantastical elements to enhance appeal.
How do we know for fact that the earth did not come into being as it says in Genesis?
Yeah but thats now that we have those medical breakthroughs and such. But if you read the bible and believe it, Adam and Eve lived for over 900 years each and now most of use can not even make it to our 70's
Or may be its too hard for you to handle the bible as Gods Inspired word or that mayb the same words were used to describe things time and again considering the Old Testementv was written in the same language as each other and the New Testement was written in the same language as each other.Honestly though, if you were to seriously read my post and stop yourself from your knee-jerk reaction to repeat yourself about Adam and Eve...it makes sense. Do the math. If the unit for measurement was simply called a different word than we currently use..."year" for "lunar month"...add into that that different books of the bible were written by different men and it is entirely possible that they weren't all using the same descriptor words for the same periods of time. But I guess, perhaps, a logical analysis of such a book is too much for some people to handle.
I believe that it might have had something to do with the fact that the earth was swaddled in a much thicker atmosphere and the subdued light could not form rainbows in the heavens, and mankind was protected from the dangerous and aging ultra-violet radiation bordering on the X-ray Region.
One such event as that occured some 75 thousand years ago with the explosion of a super volcano which put enough material up into the stratosphere, to turn the sun and moon to blood, and effect the earth's temperature for about a thousand years, and It is thought it may occure again with the explosion and release of the massive build-up of pressure beneath Yellow-stone.
Perhaps the earth may be restored to its former glory and rainbows will once more be unable to form in our atmospher, then if a person were to die at the age of 100, they would be but a child.
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Draka
Wonder Woman
Oh, you're one of those people.
Where is the corroborating evidence from other cultures, from anywhere outside the bible, that gives ages of humans as such? Please show me where people, just hundreds of years before now had longer life spans than now. I realize that I'm in a DIR section and am not trying to debate really. Just want you to think.
Ah, but different words can sometimes be used to describe the same thing and vice versa. If I were to say to wait a "while" does that give you an exact time? Also, since different words could be used AND the bible has been translated it is possible that some words and meanings were not translated fluidly. Men are not perfect. Men wrote the bible, whether you want to say it is inspired or not, men put the pens to paper, AND men translated the books of the bible into another language. Whenever you translate something from one language to another you have incongruities. So there you have two very reasonable and logical reasons why the ages could be wrong in the bible.
Oh, and did you try my math at all? Divide these old old ages by 13. There are 13 lunar months to a year. Full moon to full moon. If some were counting that way the ages make more sense.
Yep I am
I am not talking about only hundred of years before now am i? I am talking thousands of years before the Romans. If you want to think the way of man go ahead, but I will not be lead down the garden path as I had been before I found the truth about the way things really are. If you want to trust in man go ahead, but I would rather trust in something other than the beings that have ruled us since the start of sin entering into the world and have lead us up the perverbial garden path into the state of utter kaos we currently live under.
Also you use the word While. I know other things from the scriptures I cread are true, so I can confidently say, that the ages in genesis are also. The things is you get incongruities, but none so major as you are talking.
When you use the number 13 in connection to proving your theory, I cant help but be reminded of things like FRIDAY the 13th and how people are so superstitious about the number 13 and how it is a unlucky number and so forth, knowing that these superstitions are not of Gods teachings tends to make me know they are satans teachings, therefore I stay away from satans teachings and stay firm in my knowledge of the scriptures.
Ephesians 6: 5-18 YOU slaves, be obedient to those who are [YOUR] masters in a fleshly sense, with fear and trembling in the sincerity of YOUR hearts, as to the Christ, not by way of eye-service as men pleasers, but as Christs slaves, doing the will of God whole-souled. Be slaves with good inclinations, as to Jehovah, and not to men, for YOU know that each one, whatever good he may do, will receive this back from Jehovah, whether he be slave or freeman. Also, YOU masters, keep doing the same things to them, letting up on the threatening, for YOU know that the Master of both them and YOU is in the heavens, and there is no partiality with him.
Finally, go on acquiring power in [the] Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. On this account take up the complete suit of armor from God, that YOU may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after YOU have done all things thoroughly, to stand firm.
Stand firm, therefore, with YOUR loins girded about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness, and with YOUR feet shod with the equipment of the good news of peace. Above all things, take up the large shield of faith, with which YOU will be able to quench all the wicked ones burning missiles. Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, Gods word, while with every form of prayer and supplication YOU carry on prayer on every occasion in spirit
Draka
Wonder Woman
Firstly, putting your ramble aside, you are putting your faith in men from long ago who wrote and translated the bible. So please don't lecture about not putting faith in men.
Second, the number 13 isn't an unlucky or superstitious number. If it were then why didn't Jesus decide to only have 11 apostles instead of 12? By having 12, and then adding himself into the the group, you had an overall group of 13. Compare to a coven as you will. Besides, I used 13 for a reason I guess I have to explain to you once again. There are 13 cycles of the moon in one calendar year. These are called lunar months. When you figure that keeping track of full moon to full moon would be a much simpler way to track time than going by seasons, to do the math and divide 969 (Methusela) by 13 you get approximately 74.5 and 930 (Adam) becomes 71.5. If they were using the same word for both a calendar year and a lunar month then the confusion would be easy to see. However if you try out the dividing by 13 trick you should see that my suggestion becomes very plausible.
I can't help but wonder why some people never want to consider that I just could be on to something here. :areyoucra It's not heresy to suggest that the dating methods could have been different than what we use now, or that they used different dating methods throughout the bible.
Putting faith in God. maybe written by men, but hev inspired it, so it comes from God anyway. kind of like the earth, it was physically created by Jesus, but it was Gods Plan.
1. Jesus isnt counted as part of the 12 apostles. He is a separate higher being that they come under
2. 12 is a sign of the complete divine arrangements. 12 Apostles, 12 tribes of Israel of which are made up of 12000 people
3. by your calculations Abram would have not yet turned 6 when he left home with Sarai his wife this seems highly unlikely.
4. In ancient hebrew numbers were spelled out.
5. In Hebrew, numbers above ten are a combination of words, such as 12 (two and ten) , except that 20 is the plural of ten; 30 a plural word derived from three; 40 a plural word derived from four. One hundred is a separate word; 200 is the dual form. Other hundreds are composed of two words, as, 300. The highest number expressed by one Hebrew word is 20,000, the dual form of 10,000 (myriad)
Maybe because we trust the source of our information
Hope all goes well with your beliefs too.
Also just a reminder, the dating methods were different to ours in bible times.
No mate, according to the Bible, during the world of pre-flood, when 1,000 was the expected life span, rainbows could not form in the atmosphere because of an earth swaddling cloud of gas in the upper stratosphere, and mankind was protected from the ageing radiation. After the flood, when for the first time the people of that age witnessed a rainbow in the heavens, the life span of man got shorter and shorter, dropping from in the 900s to three score and ten.
From The Book of Jubilees 4: 29, And at the close of the nineteenth Jubilee, in the seventh week in the sixth year thereof, Adam died, and all his sons buried him in the land of his creation, and he was the first to be buried in the earth. And he lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: ‘On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die.’ For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it, (At the age of 930 years of 365 and a quarter days, according to the computations of Enoch the Prophet.)
Adam died at the close of the first day, and five thousand years have elapsed since the death of Adam and we are now at the close of the sixth day, when the great tribulation is about to occur, the Great and terrible day of the Lord when he shall gather all the nations around Jerusalem, for the war that will end all wars, then comes the seventh day, “The Sabbath,” which is the day of the Lord, the day when the chosen and elect will take the thrones that have been prepared for them and rule the whole world with Justice for a thousand years.
75,000 years ago in Toba, Sumatra, there was a super volcanic eruption that brought mankind to the very brink of extinction, leaving a population of just a few thousand and wiping out three quarter of all plant life. Thousands of cubic kilometres of material was blasted out into the stratosphere blocking out the light all over the world, turning the sun and moon into Huge blood red orbs and causing the earth’s temperature to drop some 21% and it would be thousands of years before rainbows would again be able to form in the atmosphere.
The ground beneath Yellowstone is said to be 74cm higher today than it was in 1923, which indicates a massive swelling beneath the park. Scientists believe that the reservoir of Magma is filling at an alarming rate and as that volcano erupts with a near clockwork cycle of every 600,000 years and the last eruption was more than 640,000 years ago-we are overdue for annihilation.
And it shall come to pass in that day,(The Lord’s Day) that the light shall not be clear or dark: and it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. Could the great war in the Middle East be the trigger to set off the volcano beneath Yellowstone, bringing in a thousand year period of twilight in which rainbows cannot form in the atmosphere? According to Isaiah 65: 20, ‘If one were to die during that period at the age of 100, they would be but a child.’
Zechariah 14, 2, The Lord will bring all the nations together to make war on Jerusalem,_____________ The Lord will confuse the enemies of his chosen people, and make them so terrified that they will turn their weapons of destruction on their own allies. The Lord will bring a terrible disease on all the nations that make war on Jerusalem. Their radiated flesh will slide from their bones while they are still alive, and the soft tissues such as their tongues and eyes will rot in their sockets.
Then all the survivors from the nations that have attacked Jerusalem, will go there each year to worship the Lord Almighty as King_____ If any nation refuses to go and worship the Lord Almighty as King, then no rain will fall on their land ____ ­and they will be struck by the same disease that the Lord will send on every nation that refuses to go.
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