2024 Presidential Candidates

[Revoltingest]

Yep...
He duped his crowd
He lied about documents
Both parties try to stack SCOTUS

But for a candidate to lie about Roe v Wade being settled law, & then vote against it....that's new.

 

[We Never Know]

But for a candidate to lie about Roe v Wade being settled law, & then vote against it....that's new.

Its also new that the president thought we had airplanes in the American revolution.

 

[Revoltingest]

 

[Heyo]

Cambodians deserved the Khmer Rouge?
Dang, man...you're harsh.

Just extrapolating from Plato:

“One of the penalties of refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.”
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[We Never Know]

Just extrapolating from Plato:

“One of the penalties of refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.”​

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That happens even if people vote lol

 

[Heyo]

That happens even if people vote lol

People who aren't well informed, i.e. not interested very much in politics.
Or they are informed and vote for (or don't stand up against) inferior politician - in both cases they deserve what they get.

 

[We Never Know]

People who aren't well informed, i.e. not interested very much in politics.
Or they are informed and vote for (or don't stand up against) inferior politician - in both cases they deserve what they get.

Many don't vote mid terms. However congress writes and debates the laws that govern the United States, and can override presidential vetoes.
So one would think midterms are just as important as electing a president. See post #84

Has anyone else noticed the big ups and downs in registered voters every 2 years since 2004?
I'm courious on how big the jump will be in 2024.

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Number of registered voters U.S. 2022 | Statista

In 2022, there were 161.42 million people registered to vote in the United States.

www.statista.com

 

[Debater Slayer]

Every country has the government it deserves.

I absolutely disagree. There will always be a lot of people in any country who don't deserve the government their country has. Do you think Saudi secularists deserve their current government? Or Iranian secularists who risked their lives to protest Iran's theocracy?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Just extrapolating from Plato:

“One of the penalties of refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.”​

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Political participation, such as voting, either means nothing or could be quite dangerous depending on which dictatorship we're talking about. The same goes for any unorganized, lone protest.

 

[We Never Know]

Every country has the government it deserves.

Well three times I can think of in the US the people didn't get the pres they voted for. They had to settle for what the EC gave them instead.

Edit. It seems there were five times

"There have been five United States presidential elections in which the successful presidential candidate did not receive a plurality of the popular vote, including the 1824 election, which was the first U.S. presidential election where the popular vote was recorded"

List of United States presidential elections in which the winner lost the popular vote - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Debater Slayer]

The thread is about presidential candidates.
In that context, the issue of Afghans being so weak
relative to the Taliban (whether lack of will or whatever
reason you see) [...]

Military training, combat experience, and being armed seem to me logical reasons for the strength of the Taliban relative to the average Afghan citizen.

[...] meant that ending the war, & leaving
the country was the best thing to do. Staying wouldn't
have changed anything. 20 years didn't change anything.
(Leaving was also best with the opposite alternative.)
Biden did what Obama & Trump failed to do. This is
significant in judging Biden relative to other candidates.

Yeah, the US failed to do anything substantial about the Taliban and merely added fuel to the fire. Then the Taliban also benefited from anti-imperialist sentiments when they were fighting American, British, and other invading armies on their home soil.

The US should have never gone there to begin with; at least Biden did what Obama or Trump should have. I agree that ending that atrocious war is a plus for Biden. I think it could have ended better, but Trump left him with a tight schedule and a disorganized mess to deal with in that regard.

 

[Estro Felino]

There is no pan-European progressive party or movement, so you'll have to live with your ignorance - or watch more TYT videos, you'd get the gist of it.

In Europe the wind is changing. The tide is turning.
For instance, most Germans condemn the political warlike plans of our allies, overseas ...who destroyed the Nordstream pipelines.
And shifted the blame onto someone else.

 

[Heyo]

I absolutely disagree. There will always be a lot of people in any country who don't deserve the government their country has. Do you think Saudi secularists deserve their current government? Or Iranian secularists who risked their lives to protest Iran's theocracy?

No. It's not all the single individuals who are at fault but the citizenry as a whole, it's the country.
The country has failed to produce a strong enough opposition to the ruling class.

 

[Heyo]

Well three times I can think of in the US the people didn't get the pres they voted for. They had to settle for what the EC gave them instead.

Edit. It seems there were five times

"There have been five United States presidential elections in which the successful presidential candidate did not receive a plurality of the popular vote, including the 1824 election, which was the first U.S. presidential election where the popular vote was recorded"

List of United States presidential elections in which the winner lost the popular vote - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

You (as in "the people of the US") had ample opportunities to change the voting system. You didn't and now you have to live with Presidents who aren't elected by a majority of voters.

 

[We Never Know]

You (as in "the people of the US") had ample opportunities to change the voting system. You didn't and now you have to live with Presidents who aren't elected by a majority of voters.

We people of the US can't change it. The people we vote for change it.

 

[Heyo]

In Europe the wind is changing. The tide is turning.
For instance, most Germans are disgusted by the political warlike plans of our allies, overseas ...who destroyed the Nordstream pipelines.

From latest news it seems they didn't do it themselves, they just let it happen.
(But, like you, my first instinct was also to blame the US, they had opportunity, motive and previously threatened the pipeline.)

And shifted the blame to someone else.
I wonder how there can be Germans who still roll red carpets at them.

Historical (pronounce: hysterical) reasons. The US has helped Germany massive after WWII and they have been an ally in the cold war. But they weren't really helpful or friendly in the last thirty years.

 

[We Never Know]

From latest news it seems they didn't do it themselves, they just let it happen.
(But, like you, my first instinct was also to blame the US, they had opportunity, motive and previously threatened the pipeline.)

Historical (pronounce: hysterical) reasons. The US has helped Germany massive after WWII and they have been an ally in the cold war. But they weren't really helpful or friendly in the last thirty years.

"The US has helped Germany massive after WWII and they have been an ally in the cold war"

This might have something to do with that...

"Operation Paperclip was a secret United States intelligence program in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from the former Nazi Germany to the U.S. for government employment after the end of World War II in Europe, between 1945 and 1959."

Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia

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[Estro Felino]

From latest news it seems they didn't do it themselves, they just let it happen.
(But, like you, my first instinct was also to blame the US, they had opportunity, motive and previously threatened the pipeline.)

I would like to understand how the Ukrainians managed to reach the Baltic Sea without being intercepted by the NATO intelligence in Germany, Denmark and also the non-NATO country Sweden.
They aided and abetted them.

Historical (pronounce: hysterical) reasons. The US has helped Germany massive after WWII and they have been an ally in the cold war. But they weren't really helpful or friendly in the last thirty years.

Actually in the short period 2017-2020 I perceived lots of respect from our allies overseas.
You know...when you have a European wife, you show respect for your allies, to show your marital devotion.

 

[Heyo]

Actually in the short period 2017-2020 I perceived lots of respect from our allies overseas.
You know...when you have a European wife, you show respect for your allies, to show your marital devotion.

Yes, he was very respectful. He even vowed to free us from half their soldiers they still have stationed here. But then he had to learn that "Commander in Chief" was only a vaporous title with no real authority.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, he was very respectful. He even vowed to free us from half their soldiers they still have stationed here. But then he had to learn that "Commander in Chief" was only a vaporous title with no real authority.

If you are a former occupied country, your Ministry of Defense is just a branch of the CIA.