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2024 Presidential Candidates

F1fan

Veteran Member
I read it,it’s very damning and the worst of it from the horses mouth,very well put together and an easy read,I agree though that the MAGA crowd will get the same info.
What is odd is how the other major republican candidates are defending Trump when asked about the indictments. They aren't saying he's innocent, but they are saying we need to move on, that the DOJ has weaponized itself against Trump, that the indictments are disturbing, that anyone indicted is presumed innocent until there has been a trial, etc. My guess is they are trying not to **** off Trump's base so they have a better shot at getting them once Trump is out. The funny thing is if they really thought Trump is innocent why are they running against him? They don't offer different policies. Trump sees anyone running as disloyal, and fair game for attack.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
A bit like Hitler,no republican candidate will take him on,too scared,Chris Christie maybe but is he any better?,I can’t say I remember a good rep president and I can only see from accross the pond but surely there must be an honest republican somewhere,even Chaney or Dan Goldman.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
A bit like Hitler,no republican candidate will take him on,too scared,Chris Christie maybe but is he any better?,I can’t say I remember a good rep president and I can only see from accross the pond but surely there must be an honest republican somewhere,even Chaney or Dan Goldman.
Inevitably it comes down to the citizens who vote for any given candidate. We blame republicans in power for being highly problematic to democracy and civil rights, but they wouldn't be there if not for the voters. So my questions get directed to voters and why they have the views they do. We can blame right wing media too, but it's all a toxic co-dependent set of relationshs that make right wing politics dangerous, nationally and globally.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
I read it,it’s very damning and the worst of it from the horses mouth,very well put together and an easy read,I agree though that the MAGA crowd will get the same info.

I think people are put off by the fact that it is 49 pages long, but the fact is that much of the space is taken up with tables, lists, and pictures. So it doesn't take that long to read it, and the text is very clear and well laid out. As one pundit put it--if there is one indictment you ever choose to read in your life, this should be the one. The story and the corroborating evidence are jaw-dropping. It is hard to see how a jury could fail to convict on most, if not all, the counts, as long as the prosecution can show the evidence it says it has.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
I think people are put off by the fact that it is 49 pages long, but the fact is that much of the space is taken up with tables, lists, and pictures. So it doesn't take that long to read it, and the text is very clear and well laid out. As one pundit put it--if there is one indictment you ever choose to read in your life, this should be the one. The story and the corroborating evidence are jaw-dropping. It is hard to see how a jury could fail to convict on most, if not all, the counts, as long as the prosecution can show the evidence it says it has.

Same,it’s an easy read,he’s his own star witness to his downfall yet the leader of the house is in denial who is the ***** of Boebart and Greene and the likes,no lead in his pencil but this says so much about MAGA ,you can get a Trump bobble head.
 

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F1fan

Veteran Member
I think people are put off by the fact that it is 49 pages long, but the fact is that much of the space is taken up with tables, lists, and pictures. So it doesn't take that long to read it, and the text is very clear and well laid out. As one pundit put it--if there is one indictment you ever choose to read in your life, this should be the one. The story and the corroborating evidence are jaw-dropping. It is hard to see how a jury could fail to convict on most, if not all, the counts, as long as the prosecution can show the evidence it says it has.
And Trumps aid Nauta was indicted along with Trump as a co-conspirator, and that means serious prison time. He will have a decision to make whether to be loyal to Trump or become a witness for the prosecution and get a deal. Many of the charges are 5-20 years max.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Completely irrelevant.

I haven't read the indictment myself, but I did watch legal experts read excerpts and explain what they mean. I doubt right wing media will offer the same service to their viewers and instead spew disinformation and deceptive rhetoric.
BS! Everytime someone brings up Hunter, people say he isn't Joe. Trumps followers aren't Trump.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
The average age of the Senate is 58 years.
The average age of the Congress is 64 years.
The average age of the House of Representatives is 57 years
Informative frubal
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
BS! Everytime someone brings up Hunter, people say he isn't Joe. Trumps followers aren't Trump.

That's true, but I doubt that many of them will read the indictment or go to alternative sources of information about the charges being brought against Trump. Fox News gives scant information about it or anything else that might show Trump in a bad light, and that seems to be what their viewers want. The other thing they want is more dirt on Hunter Biden and other whataboutery distractions.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The average age of the Senate is 58 years.
The average age of the Congress is 64 years.
The average age of the House of Representatives is 57 years

This can't be correct. The average age of Congress must be between the average age of each chamber weighted to reflect the 435:100 member ratio.

So, I looked at the link and found what I was expecting. You transcribed some numbers: "The average age of the Senate is 64 years." The House was copied correctly.

[435(57 yrs old) + 100(64 yrs old)] / (435+100 congresspersons) = 58.3 years old per congressperson on average
 

We Never Know

No Slack
This can't be correct. The average age of Congress must be between the average age of each chamber weighted to reflect the 435:100 member ratio.

So, I looked at the link and found what I was expecting. You transcribed some numbers: "The average age of the Senate is 64 years." The House was copied correctly.

[435(57 yrs old) + 100(64 yrs old)] / (435+100 congresspersons) = 58.3 years old per congressperson on average
Yes. I put Senate where Congress should have been and vise-versa. My bad
 

We Never Know

No Slack
This can't be correct. The average age of Congress must be between the average age of each chamber weighted to reflect the 435:100 member ratio.

So, I looked at the link and found what I was expecting. You transcribed some numbers: "The average age of the Senate is 64 years." The House was copied correctly.

[435(57 yrs old) + 100(64 yrs old)] / (435+100 congresspersons) = 58.3 years old per congressperson on average

That's another reason why I always try to include a link. When writing by menorry of what I read, my memory isn't as good as it used to be lol
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Different countries and situations.



Not hopeless; just too difficult for the average civilian. The army is a different story.
The thread is about presidential candidates.
In that context, the issue of Afghans being so weak
relative to the Taliban (whether lack of will or whatever
reason you see) meant that ending the war, & leaving
the country was the best thing to do. Staying wouldn't
have changed anything. 20 years didn't change anything.
(Leaving was also best with the opposite alternative.)
Biden did what Obama & Trump failed to do. This is
significant in judging Biden relative to other candidates.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
BS! Everytime someone brings up Hunter, people say he isn't Joe. Trumps followers aren't Trump.
Trump's followers are why there was a Trump as president, and why Trump is in all the trouble he is in.

Trump has been unfit for office since he decided to run, and now that there is more and more evidence that he is unfit for office the conservative base still supports him. If this was a movie script written before 2015 no one would think it remotely plausible in the USA.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Trump's followers are why there was a Trump as president, and why Trump is in all the trouble he is in.

Trump has been unfit for office since he decided to run, and now that there is more and more evidence that he is unfit for office the conservative base still supports him. If this was a movie script written before 2015 no one would think it remotely plausible in the USA.
Trump is in his trouble because of Trump.

Btw, Joe is why there is a Hunter
 
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