2024 USA PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION DAY watch party.

[Koldo]

That's where socialists like to think they're smart because the state don't 'own' places of business.

I can tell you that that's b******* because if you don't own it you can't tell a business what to do, and how to stock it, or how much they should or shouldn't have on their shelves and lots , and how much or how little they should have.

Yeah the state owns it all right, it's just they have the poor owner pay for it while they control it.

So yeah , it's definitely owning the means of production by the state.

Using this standard of yours, can you name 5 countries that are not socialists?

 

[Nimos]

If you recall COVID began about March 2020. By election time, we were still under the more extreme COVID pandemic restrictions. Biden was hunkered down in his bunker and unconventional measures were taken, during that election cycle. These included altering the voter rules, especially in Democrats states who had ordered the most severe lockdowns. This change of procedures, mostly in Democrat States, is where the major fraud came in. These unprecedented change, often by decree, and not always by State Constitutions, were justified by the emergency conditions of this Fascist States. These elections were not as well monitored, as this election cycle. This time both sides had an army of lawyers documenting, in advance, to prevent the steal. The 2020 election was an ideal time to steal, since it was last minute free lance by decree.

We now know, due to Elon Musk, buying Twitter, that the FBI was censoring Conservative voice but not Liberals. This was still hidden when Trump was protesting the steal. The Hunter Biden Laptop was also never Russian Disinformation. However, this was still the narrative on Jan 6, with Trump and his people, knowing it was a lie. Once Biden and Harris got in, then they could slow walk, Justice, via the Biden DOJ. Then as the facts came out, it was too late to do the right thing.

In 2024, the DNC felt very confident that another con job would work; money, celebrity and lies. But this time it failed. The DNC also lost a part of their base over a wide range of demographics. The majority of Americans; popular vote, no longer had trust in the DNC con and law fare machine.

The DNC should feel lucky Trump is not vindictive. I cannot say the same for Trump's legal army. They want an excuse.

Not that im well into this story, but having a quick glance at it, it seems to highly depend on where one gets their information from. The news channels in the US seem rather biased.

“I am aware of no unlawful collusion with, or direction from, any government agency or political campaign on how Twitter should have handled the Hunter Biden laptop situation,” James Baker, Twitter’s former deputy counsel, told the committee while under oath.

And Matt Taibbi, one of the journalists Musk handpicked last year to comb through Twitter’s internal messages for evidence of free speech violations, said himself that “there is no evidence — that I’ve seen — of any government involvement in the laptop story.”

From CNN

Im not saying it isn't true, simply that I have no clue. But more importantly, I think it illustrates the split in the US and Trump also claimed that there was fraud in this election yet he won pretty big. You would assume he would follow up on this even though he won. But my guess is that he won't because he is known for lying and just saying random things quite a bit. However had he lost, Im pretty sure that the fraud argument had been taken all the way by him.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Using this standard of yours, can you name 5 countries that are not socialists?

Any country without a command economy is not regarded as socialist.

The United States, Canada , Singapore, Taiwan, and Luxembourg are still reasonably regarded as free market economies and is your answer. Of course the United States and Canada are in danger of becoming socialist by the radical left.

Singapore having the most free market economy in the world in 2024 and is at present, a parliamentary representative democratic republic.

 

[Koldo]

Any country without a command economy is not regarded as socialist.

The United States, Canada , Singapore, Taiwan, and Luxembourg are still reasonably regarded as free market economies and is your answer. Of course the United States and Canada are in danger of becoming socialist by the radical left.

Singapore having the most free market economy in the world in 2024 and is at present, a parliamentary representative democratic republic.

Let me check this with you:

Singapore has nearly 80% of it's population living in public houses, and the government exerts massive control over this market (even to the point of not actually selling the property to individuals but rather offering a 99-years lease) but that doesn't constitute socialism, right?

Canada has an universal health care system that operates under a single-payer model and ensures there is no pricing competition for the majority of the health care services but this doesn't constitute socialism, right?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Let me check this with you:

Singapore has nearly 80% of it's population living in public houses, and the government exerts massive control over this market (even to the point of not actually selling the property to individuals but rather offering a 99-years lease) but that doesn't constitute socialism, right?

Canada has an universal health care system that operates under a single-payer model and ensures there is no pricing competition for the majority of the health care services but this doesn't constitute socialism, right?

You're only describing socialism early on with Singapore . It's not that way now.

Staunch U.S. Ally Singapore Boasts World’s Freest Economy in Annual Heritage Foundation Rankings

Singapore keeps punching above its weight, demonstrating to the world the concrete benefit of preserving transparency, openness, and efficiency, which are the hallmarks of economic freedom.

www.heritage.org

 

[wellwisher]

Well...

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The felon status was only due to partisan law fare. The"alleged crimes" used to go after Trump, were all ancient history. Why wait until election time to address business dealings from many years before? Why not do that in 2016?

Now that Trump is President Elect, these are all going away. Law is very pliable based on who has the power. The crooked DNC broke the tradition of not going after a former President. But shoplifting, by law, is now legal. Law can benefits thieve when they are made by thieves. The crooked DNC misused that power and therefore their so called felonies, are not valid in any moral sense, to the voters.

I would like to see Trump force the DNC to pay back all the government resources used in a partisan way; law fare. Misuse of Government resources is a felony and one can be subject to firing and even jail. Trump's payback will be dismantling everything the crooked DNC did and replacing it with something more for the people. Biden, with an executive order, stop the border wall construction. Trump can stop the 10 year green deal funding. That is legal payback. The COVID fund was stolen from and that could put some DNC governors in jail.

Trump learned much from his first term as President. This past election season has made it clear who is who, in terms of the criminal element in Government. It will harder for the DNC to plant spies in the Trump's new camp, since they all gave away their positions due to open arrogance during law fare; drunk on power.

The first term, this was not as clear cut, since the DNC was more like a two faced underground. Donald Trump Junior has been tasked with filtering hires, and after the law fare was used against him, he knows who the worst are, and who needs to be fired. Don Jr is the person who brought JD Vance to Trump's attention. VP Vance is a superior asset, who enjoyed going into the den of thieves, and schooling them.

In the heard that Trump has 20 top people applying for each of the jobs in his Administration. He has the pick of all the litters, and will be able to assemble an amazing team, that can make his vision come to reality; show time!

 

[Koldo]

You're only describing socialism early on with Singapore . It's not that way now.

Staunch U.S. Ally Singapore Boasts World’s Freest Economy in Annual Heritage Foundation Rankings

Singapore keeps punching above its weight, demonstrating to the world the concrete benefit of preserving transparency, openness, and efficiency, which are the hallmarks of economic freedom.

www.heritage.org

No. As far I know, I am giving recent stats. Your source doesn't provide any info regarding public houses to contradict what I have stated. It is also worth of note that you haven't commented on Canada's health care system.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No. As far I know, I am giving recent stats. Your source doesn't provide any info regarding public houses to contradict what I have stated. It is also worth of note that you haven't commented on Canada's health care system.

What about it? Canada's healthcare program isn't perfect.


Doctors and nurses have been complaining for decades now and it's sub par care, and the real kicker is Dental isn't even covered, so if you have a toothache with no insurance, the best you're going to get is some painkillers.

You won't believe the amount of Canadian cars in the parking lots of healthcare facilities here in the states. it's really an eye-opener sometimes.

But I am aware of many Canadian employers ccovering dental, but that's a whole separate package if one is lucky enough to get one last time I checked.

 

[Koldo]

What about it? Canada's healthcare program isn't perfect.


Doctors and nurses have been complaining for decades now and it's sub par care, and the real kicker is Dental isn't even covered, so if you have a toothache with no insurance, the best you're going to get is some painkillers.

You won't believe the amount of Canadian cars in the parking lots of healthcare facilities here in the states. it's really an eye-opener sometimes.

But I am aware of many Canadian employers ccovering dental, but that's a whole separate package if one is lucky enough to get one last time I checked.

The reason I mentioned Canada's healthcare and Singapore's public housing is that you listed both countries as not being socialists. But considering your criticism, I take it they do have strong socialist aspects, right?

This is what I am trying to get at: You will see the government manipulating and interferring with the market across all the globe, and except on the most extreme cases it is not proper to say a country is socialist. And what the Democratic party proposes is far from extreme.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The reason I mentioned Canada's healthcare and Singapore's public housing is that you listed both countries as not being socialists. But considering your criticism, I take it they do have strong socialist aspects, right?

This is what I am trying to get at: You will see the government manipulating and interferring with the market across all the globe, and except on the most extreme cases it is not proper to say a country is socialist. And what the Democratic party proposes is far from extreme.

I said many times that social programs are not political socialism. Businesses in Singapore don't generally have the government breathing down their neck although I will give you some slack due to the fact that not every country is free market and not every country is command economy.

Most have a mix of the two.

 

[Koldo]

I said many times that social programs are not political socialism. Businesses in Singapore don't generally have the government breathing down their neck although I will give you some slack due to the fact that not every country is free market and not every country is command economy.

Most have a mix of the two.

Exactly. And the Democratic party doesn't stand for socialism. It is just a scaremongering tactic.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Exactly. And the Democratic party doesn't stand for socialism. It is just a scaremongering tactic.

No maybe not all the Democrat Party because I was pleasantly surprised and astonished to see there are blue dogs still around, excepting the elite modern day Democrat and yes , they are completely Socialist and Marxist to the core.

 

[Koldo]

No maybe not all the Democrat Party because I was pleasantly surprised and astonished to see there are blue dogs still around, excepting the elite modern day Democrat and yes , they are completely Socialist and Marxist to the core.

I have absolutely no idea who those people in the video are. Are they the elite Democrat? Can you name them?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have absolutely no idea who those people in the video are. Are they the elite Democrat? Can you name them?

The squad essentially.

AOC

Bernie Sanders

There's a whole list of them....

List of socialist members of the United States Congress - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Koldo]

The squad essentially.

AOC

Bernie Sanders

There's a whole list of them....

List of socialist members of the United States Congress - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Is that AOC in the video? I didn't recognize her.

The Squad is composed by new politicians. I wonder why you think of them as the elite (rather than Obama and Hillary Clinton, for example). They are a minority in the Democratic party. And Bernie Sanders is not part of The Squad and hasn't been in the Democratic party for many years already.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Is that AOC in the video? I didn't recognize her.

The Squad is composed by new politicians. I wonder why you think of them as the elite (rather than Obama and Hillary Clinton, for example). They are a minority in the Democratic party. And Bernie Sanders is not part of The Squad and hasn't been in the Democratic party for many years already.

The one in the video is Kristen Gonzalez in New York City and she's a Socialist Democrat. AOC and Bernie Sanders among other Democrats are formally registered with the DSA.

Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) - Working towards a better future for all.

Working towards a better future for all.

www.dsausa.org

 

[Koldo]

The one in the video is Kristen Gonzalez in New York City and she's a Socialist Democrat.

Thanks for the clarification.

AOC and Bernie Sanders among other Democrats are formally registered with the DSA.

Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) - Working towards a better future for all.

Working towards a better future for all.

www.dsausa.org

Bernie Sanders is neither a Democrat (for quite some years already, although it is accurate to say at some point he was) nor affiliated to the DSA.

Either way, why would those affiliated with the DSA represent the elite within the Democratic party?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Thanks for the clarification.



Bernie Sanders is neither a Democrat (for quite some years already, although it is accurate to say at some point he was) nor affiliated to the DSA.

Either way, why would those affiliated with the DSA represent the elite within the Democratic party?

Bernie Sanders is a registered member of the Democrat socialists of America he's on the list.

 

[Koldo]

Bernie Sanders is a registered member of the Democrat socialists of America he's on the list.

What list?

This one?
List of socialist members of the United States Congress - Wikipedia

He is not.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What list?

This one?
List of socialist members of the United States Congress - Wikipedia

He is not.

Yes he is. You can deny it all you want but he is still a member of the DSA.


Maybe you would prefer it straight from the horse's mouth....

Building DSA with Bernie - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

Our goal isn’t just to get Bernie elected. It’s to strengthen DSA and our side of the class struggle.

www.dsausa.org