2024 USA PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION DAY watch party.

[Twilight Hue]

No, you don't. If you did you'd be able to explain what it is and how they qualify as communists.

I can explain it by just pointing directly to the active Communist systems in the real world and what Communist regimes actually do to people in real time as opposed to quibbling over one's academic definitions enclosed in some insulated bubble. China being a direct primary example of Communism with its centralized one state government.

Harris has a well documented Marxist background as well as Waltz with close ties and connections to the CPC. The platform pushing towards a powerful centralized federal government with less state autonomy.

 

[BrightShadow]

If you think Harris or Biden are communists then you don't have the first clue what communism is.

This comment was not @me but I decided to respond...

While I don't believe Biden or Kamala are communists per se. But they are/were individuals who could not stand up against the woke warmonger 'establishment' and thus they don't really represent their own true voice. If Biden had his own voice - he would have continue to run for the 2nd term. He was pushed out by the 'establishment'.

Communism on the other hand - consist of people who hide their true identity and routinely change their identity (when caught) until they succeed in gaining the power.

Once they are in power - their subjects have no voice. Their faces are blank and they have no eye to see or mouth to speak from.

It kinda reminds me of your PFP (profile picture).
Keep in mind - I am not calling you communist. I am only comparing your PFP to people under communism regimes!

 

[Eliana]

I can explain it by just pointing directly to the active Communist systems in the real world and what Communist regimes actually do to people in real time as opposed to quibbling over one's academic definitions enclosed in some insulated bubble. China being a direct primary example of Communism with its centralized one state government.

Harris has a well documented Marxist background as well as Waltz with close ties and connections to the CPC. The platform pushing towards a powerful centralized federal government with less state autonomy.

"I can explain it by pointing at countries!"

Okay, then I can explain neurosurgery by pointing at a neurosurgeon! That's much easier then reading about something. You have no clue what you're talking about, and you know it. I would bet my ovaries you've never read a single word from or about Marx, or you wouldn't be using the terms Marxism and communism interchangeably.

This comment was not @mebut I decided to respond...

While I don't believe Biden or Kamala are communists per se. But they are/were individuals who could not stand up against the woke warmonger 'establishment' and thus they don't really represent their own true voice. If Biden had his own voice - he would have continue to run for the 2nd term. He was pushed out by the 'establishment'.

Communism on the other hand - consist of people who hide their true identity and routinely change their identity (when caught) until they succeed in gaining the power.

Once they are in power - their subjects have no voice. Their faces are blank and they have no eye to see or mouth to speak from.

It kinda reminds me of your PFP (profile picture).
Keep in mind - I am not calling you communist. I am only comparing your PFP to people under communism regimes!

Ah yes, "woke" is the new communism!

You also have no clue what communism is, and all you can do is make vague ill-defined claims about it's attributes. I quite enjoy your "I'm not saying your a communist, just saying your avatar makes me think you're a communist... winky face". If you knew anything about me or knew anyone who knew me they'd laugh their butts off at the idea I'm anywhere close to a communist. FYI it's a picture of an Orthodox Jewish woman in her tichel.

It's amazing people in your country live in such pathological fear of something you can't even define. It's called "red baiting" and much like the stupid term "woke", it has no real meaning other then you hate the person being labelled as such.

 

[Regiomontanus]

I can explain it by just pointing directly to the active Communist systems in the real world and what Communist regimes actually do to people in real time as opposed to quibbling over one's academic definitions enclosed in some insulated bubble. China being a direct primary example of Communism with its centralized one state government.

Harris has a well documented Marxist background as well as Waltz with close ties and connections to the CPC. The platform pushing towards a powerful centralized federal government with less state autonomy.

There has never been a true, fully realized communist governmet. The last step - moving away from centralized control - never happens because the person with centralized control refuses to give it up.

In Marxist theory, the end goal of a true communist society is a stateless, classless society where centralized government authority is no longer necessary.

In traditional Marxist theory, society progresses through several stages. First, there’s a capitalist stage, which leads to class struggle and eventually to a socialist revolution. During the socialist stage, the “dictatorship of the proletariat” establishes a transitional government to dismantle capitalist structures and create an equal distribution of resources and power. This stage involves centralized authority, but the goal is that this government will eventually “wither away” once class divisions are eliminated.

In the final stage—full communism—the idea is that all resources are shared communally, and because everyone’s needs are met equally, there’s no need for a state or centralized power structure. Instead, people govern themselves in a decentralized way. In theory, this society would be based on cooperative, direct governance by the people, with each individual contributing according to their ability and receiving according to their need.

No country has fully achieved this “stateless” and “classless” end goal of communism. Instead, most attempts to reach it have led to highly centralized governments, like in the Soviet Union, Maoist China, and elsewhere, where the transitional phase became entrenched rather than dissolved.

 

[BrightShadow]

You also have no clue what communism is

I didn't define communism. So you have no clue what I know or don't know.
Your PFP seemed funny to me.

FYI it's a picture of an Orthodox Jewish woman in her tichel.

That is cute! But where are the eyes and the mouth?

other then you hate the person being labelled as such.

Define "hate" and then look in the mirror! Think for 3 days and then come back and tell me what you see.

 

[Heyo]

I didn't define communism.

Because you couldn't.

So you have no clue what I know or don't know.

How does it feel when someone else tells you what you know, think or feel?

 

[BrightShadow]

Because you couldn't.

I didn't define communism because don't have to worry about the 'wannabes' for another 3 years until election year!

How does it feel when someone else tells you what you know, think or feel?

So, are you implying Eliana is a communist? She is going to fry your ***.

That is what the communists do. That is why you shouldn't do it!

If you want to learn about Kamala - watch Candace Owens.
Kamala claimed to be a black woman but Candace turned Kamala back into an Indian woman!

Projecting a false identity is a trait of communist leaders. It is not the only trait but it is one of the traits! Just google it and learn.
Kamala was just a wannabe!

Dems are gems! (Not true).
Some of them are fakes!
Some Dems put their stinkiest foot forward.

Just look at your PFP (profile photo) aka avatar.
Stink stink stink!
I am outta here. Can't take this stink anymore! EW EWW!

 

[Koldo]

I agree especially with statements that Capitalism, leads to Socialism, which leads to Communism.

Already the elite modern day Democrat has embraced Socialism, which only makes it one more step away to Communism.

Marx was spot on with that particular caveat considering the unhealthy rise of Socialism in this country.
It seems a lot of modern elite Democrats have embraced that philosophy and infiltrated that into left wing government, but fortunately with Trump's win, I find not all do ascribe to Socialism thankfully , and I can safely say now not all Democrats are Socialists. Thank you to Democrat blue dogs.

What is Socialism according to Marx and what socialist policies are supported by the Democratic party? I am curious.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What is Socialism according to Marx and what socialist policies are supported by the Democratic party? I am curious.

Since 2021....


The call for a new political order to institute a socialist democracy.

Abolishing the senate.

Abolishing the Electoral College.

Defund the police.

Redistribute wealth.

Price controls.

DSA Political Platform - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

Preamble The Democratic Socialists of America are fighting to win a world organized and governed by and for the vast majority, the working class. We are socialist because we share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable...

www.dsausa.org

 

[Koldo]

Since 2021....


The call for a new political order to institute a socialist democracy.

Abolishing the senate.

Abolishing the Electoral College.

Defund the police.

Redistribute wealth.

Price controls.

DSA Political Platform - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

Preamble The Democratic Socialists of America are fighting to win a world organized and governed by and for the vast majority, the working class. We are socialist because we share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable...

www.dsausa.org

Since @Kathryn liked your post, I am calling her here to explain this to her too. None of those points you have listed there are inherently socialist.

There are capitalist countries with an unicameral parliament, and most don't have an electoral college. Countries that you would label as socialist don't have a weak police either.

As for price control, even though common on socialist countries, it also exists on capitalist countries (to a lesser extent).

On regards to redistribution of wealth, I am curious to both what you consider it to be (Are Medicaid and Medicare examples?) and why you oppose it.

I am going to explain what socialism actually is: when the government directly owns and controls the means of production. When a given country nationalizes industries such as oil and eletricity, that is an example of socialist policy. Whenever it provides a service or goods without paying a middleman (a company) that is also a socialist policy.

 

[Kathryn]

Since @Kathryn liked your post, I am calling her here to explain this to her too. None of those points you have listed there are inherently socialist.

There are capitalist countries with an unicameral parliament, and most don't have an electoral college. Countries that you would label as socialist don't have a weak police either.

As for price control, even though common on socialist countries, it also exists on capitalist countries (to a lesser extent).

On regards to redistribution of wealth, I am curious to both what you consider it to be (Are Medicaid and Medicare examples?) and why you oppose it.

I am going to explain what socialism actually is: when the government directly owns and controls the means of production. When a given country nationalizes industries such as oil and eletricity, that is an example of socialist policy. Whenever it provides a service or goods without paying a middleman (a company) that is also a socialist policy.

You can leave me out of it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Since @Kathryn liked your post, I am calling her here to explain this to her too. None of those points you have listed there are inherently socialist.

There are capitalist countries with an unicameral parliament, and most don't have an electoral college. Countries that you would label as socialist don't have a weak police either.

As for price control, even though common on socialist countries, it also exists on capitalist countries (to a lesser extent).

On regards to redistribution of wealth, I am curious to both what you consider it to be (Are Medicaid and Medicare examples?) and why you oppose it.

I am going to explain what socialism actually is: when the government directly owns and controls the means of production. When a given country nationalizes industries such as oil and eletricity, that is an example of socialist policy. Whenever it provides a service or goods without paying a middleman (a company) that is also a socialist policy.

Well first controlling the means of production, all one has to do is look no further than the auto industry for a major example of that the green New Deal is putting forth by it's mandates and takeover of the market , which is hideously socialist with the clear goal to control the means of production of energy including demands of what can and cannot be put on an independent auto dealers lot. That of course also includes the gas industry as well , with the attempted takeover of corporations who make gas stoves and ovens etc telling them what they can and cannot sell and how much.


You obviously failed to see the parallels that are drawn directly from the Democrats Socialist of Americas website , which pretty much reflects almost every pledge verbatim made by the modern day elitest Democrats.

 

[Koldo]

You can leave me out of it.

Nah. It is always a pleasure to clear things up.

 

[Kathryn]

Nah. It is always a pleasure to clear things up.

Ok whatever you say. I'm not playing but you can all you like.

 

[Koldo]

Well first controlling the means of production, all one has to do is look no further than the auto industry for a major example of that the green New Deal is putting forth by it's mandates and takeover of the market , which is hideously socialist with the clear goal to control the means of production of energy including demands of what can and cannot be put on an independent auto dealers lot.

Can you elaborate?
As far I know, the green new deal doesn't revolve around the state owning the means of production but rather regulatory activity which is completely compatible with capitalism. But perhaps you are aware of something I am not.

That of course also includes the gas industry as well , with the attempted takeover of corporations who make gas stoves and ovens etc telling them what they can and cannot sell and how much.

As I have said, mere regulation doesn't equal to state ownership and therefore it is not socialist. I am now left wondering if you are applying the word 'socialism' to anything that is not a completely free market.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Can you elaborate?
As far I know, the green new deal doesn't revolve around the state owning the means of production but rather regulatory activity which is completely compatible with capitalism. But perhaps you are aware of something I am not.



As I have said, mere regulation doesn't equal to state ownership and therefore it is not socialist. I am now left wondering if you are applying the word 'socialism' to anything that is not a completely free market.

That's where socialists like to think they're smart because the state don't 'own' places of business.

I can tell you that that's b******* because if you don't own it you can't tell a business what to do, and how to stock it, or how much they should or shouldn't have on their shelves and lots , and how much or how little they should have.

Yeah the state owns it all right, it's just they have the poor owner pay for it while they control it.

So yeah , it's definitely owning the means of production by the state.

 

[Heyo]

That's where socialists like to think they're smart because the state don't 'own' places of business.

I can tell you that that's b******* because if you don't own it you can't tell a business what to do, and how to stock it, or how much they should or shouldn't have on their shelves and lots , and how much or how little they should have.

Yeah the state owns it all right, it's just they have the poor owner pay for it while they control it.

So yeah , it's definitely owning the means of production by the state.

So, owning means of production is socialist, regulations are socialist? Which of these countries do you think are socialist countries: Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Germany, France, Sweden, USA?

 

[Twilight Hue]

So, owning means of production is socialist, regulations are socialist? Which of these countries do you think are socialist countries: Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Germany, France, Sweden, USA?

Venezuela was definitely socialist and was even a textbook case even by Berkeley.

Venezuela: A Textbook Case of How Socialism Breeds Dictatorship - Berkeley Political Review

With the largest oil reserves in the world, Venezuela was once the wealthiest nation in Latin America. But today, it is experiencing a historic economic collapse that has forced over 2.3 million citizens to flee the country. Since 2013, Venezuela has lost a third of its gross domestic product...

bpr.studentorg.berkeley.edu

It is now a federal presidential republic.

Saudi Arabia is an Islamic monarchy.

Germany has a bicameral parliamentary system.

France has a
democratic semi-presidential republic.

Sweden is a parliamentary democracy.

The US at present is a constitutional republic.

 

[Heyo]

Venezuela was definitely socialist and was even a textbook case even by Berkeley.

Venezuela: A Textbook Case of How Socialism Breeds Dictatorship - Berkeley Political Review

With the largest oil reserves in the world, Venezuela was once the wealthiest nation in Latin America. But today, it is experiencing a historic economic collapse that has forced over 2.3 million citizens to flee the country. Since 2013, Venezuela has lost a third of its gross domestic product...

bpr.studentorg.berkeley.edu

It is now a federal presidential republic.

Saudi Arabia is an Islamic monarchy.

Germany has a bicameral parliamentary system.

France has a
democratic semi-presidential republic.

Sweden is a parliamentary democracy.

The US at present is a constitutional republic.

So, except for Venezuela, no socialist countries.
In Germany, France and Sweden, the government owns means of production, we have tuition-free universities, functioning health care and social security systems, and our industries are highly regulated.
What about introducing these things to the US?

 

[wellwisher]

Congrats

What about all the voting fraud that Trump talked about, that turned out to be nothing I assume now that he won?

If you recall COVID began about March 2020. By election time, we were still under the more extreme COVID pandemic restrictions. Biden was hunkered down in his bunker and unconventional measures were taken, during that election cycle. These included altering the voter rules, especially in Democrats states who had ordered the most severe lockdowns. This change of procedures, mostly in Democrat States, is where the major fraud came in. These unprecedented change, often by decree, and not always by State Constitutions, were justified by the emergency conditions of this Fascist States. These elections were not as well monitored, as this election cycle. This time both sides had an army of lawyers documenting, in advance, to prevent the steal. The 2020 election was an ideal time to steal, since it was last minute free lance by decree.

We now know, due to Elon Musk, buying Twitter, that the FBI was censoring Conservative voice but not Liberals. This was still hidden when Trump was protesting the steal. The Hunter Biden Laptop was also never Russian Disinformation. However, this was still the narrative on Jan 6, with Trump and his people, knowing it was a lie. Once Biden and Harris got in, then they could slow walk, Justice, via the Biden DOJ. Then as the facts came out, it was too late to do the right thing.

In 2024, the DNC felt very confident that another con job would work; money, celebrity and lies. But this time it failed. The DNC also lost a part of their base over a wide range of demographics. The majority of Americans; popular vote, no longer had trust in the DNC con and law fare machine.

The DNC should feel lucky Trump is not vindictive. I cannot say the same for Trump's legal army. They want an excuse.