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It's not the hour. And to be fair, technically it should say 2070 ish Christs Glorious return, since it could be between 2070 -2570.
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2070 Christs glorious return
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Ben Avraham
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Christ's Glorious Return.
"Christ'" is a term that comes from the Greek and it means the Anointed One of the Lord aka the Messiah. Now, the idea of a returning Messiah is a reference to the return of the Jews from exile. It has happened already for three times. The first time was from Egypt, whom they thought Moses was the Messiah and he turned out to be only a Messianic Leader who guided the Messiah back to the Promised Land. The second time around was from Babylon and, according Isaiah 45:1, the Messianic Leader turned out to be Cyrus who won the title for his role to proclaim freedom for the Jews and financing the rebuilding of the Temple. The third and last time has been now from the four corners of the earth and, the Messianic Leader, I consider to have been Theodor Herzl who sacrificed his life in the struggle to impregnate the Jews with love for Zion. The Third Jewish Commonwealth was proclaimed in 1948. Many Jews are still in the process of returning. And for this returning there was no need of the work of Jesus who, when he was born, the Land was under foreign occupation, during his lifetime, the occupation only grew bitter and biter. When he died, the Land was destroyed and the Jews forced out into another exile of almost 2000 years. The truth is that Jesus could never be classified even as a Messianic Leader, let alone the Messiah. I am sorry to have to rain so hardly on the parade of Christian faith but, the truth cannot be hidden.
"Christ'" is a term that comes from the Greek and it means the Anointed One of the Lord aka the Messiah. Now, the idea of a returning Messiah is a reference to the return of the Jews from exile. It has happened already for three times. The first time was from Egypt, whom they thought Moses was the Messiah and he turned out to be only a Messianic Leader who guided the Messiah back to the Promised Land. The second time around was from Babylon and, according Isaiah 45:1, the Messianic Leader turned out to be Cyrus who won the title for his role to proclaim freedom for the Jews and financing the rebuilding of the Temple. The third and last time has been now from the four corners of the earth and, the Messianic Leader, I consider to have been Theodor Herzl who sacrificed his life in the struggle to impregnate the Jews with love for Zion. The Third Jewish Commonwealth was proclaimed in 1948. Many Jews are still in the process of returning. And for this returning there was no need of the work of Jesus who, when he was born, the Land was under foreign occupation, during his lifetime, the occupation only grew bitter and biter. When he died, the Land was destroyed and the Jews forced out into another exile of almost 2000 years. The truth is that Jesus could never be classified even as a Messianic Leader, let alone the Messiah. I am sorry to have to rain so hardly on the parade of Christian faith but, the truth cannot be hidden.
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I thought you were a Christian now Ben. You said show me one prophecy Jesus fulfilled and you would turn Christian. Yet your viewpoint is soley from the view of the pots not the potmaker.
Ben Avraham
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Well, are you going to provide me with a prophecy in the Tanach that points to Jesus and he fulfilled it? My proposal is still on! If you can't come out with some thing, I think that it will be fair enough that you reconsider your views and let me know of some change in your spiritual life if you have one.
The virgin prophecy where someone born of a virgin comes to be called "Mighty God" , I believe I'm already more spiritual than materialistic, dwelling more on spiritual matters than those of men, money and land.
Check the word used in the Isiah prophecy ...
no trace of virgin, just young woman ...
no trace of virgin, just young woman ...
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
Ben Avraham
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There are two kinds of virgins. One is the "Almah" a young woman still at the age of reproduction. The other is the "Betulah" aka a physical virgin who has never experienced sexual intercourse with a man.
Well only one of those fits the definitiion of a virgin, at least before Madonna was born.
Ben Avraham
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Ben Avraham
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Whatever you mean, it does sound funny.
It is a major point so I would not take their word for their word. The sense of it is that it was a virgin birth or the concept of it being a miraculous sign from God becomes nonsense.
Matt 1:23 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23“Behold! The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel” (which means, “God with us”).
Desert Snake
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Yes, that makes sense to me as well.
and his name was ??
Ben Avraham
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Okay! So, how long do I have to wait for a quote with Jesus being the target of a Messianic prophecy?
His name was Jesus. Where does the prophecy say his name would be Immanuel, it just says they will call him Immanuel meaning God with Us, and God with us could also be called Messiah, and they will call him Mighty God, Prince of Peace.
Ben Avraham
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I already proved to you that the Gentiles of the Galilee called the Jews returning from exile in Babylon as Mighty God among other titles. It is in Isaiah 9:5 (JPS)
No you didn't. That's absurd, they were at a low point having just been let out of captivity. The furthest thing from being called Mighty God by human wisdom.
Reggie Miller
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Tobad you forgot about this one. I can only conclude that the prediction is 100% wrong:
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
So you think you know when Jesus didn't even know when He was here on Earth. I suggest you and everyone else who believed this fallacy repent right now.
And that could still be true. Because we're talking about two kinds of days, an actual day and hour, and the pattern of the day and hour where day is 1000 years. So the theory narrows it down to 500 years our time. 2070 to 2570.