25-Year-Old Woman Stoned to Death in Broad Daylight in Pakistan

[Saint Frankenstein]

And Christians had Jesus, and islam has muhammad who said Jesus was a fraud.
So what other reason did Christians stop the barbaric laws and ialam still has them?

Christianity was forced to change by revolutionary movements sparked by the Enlightenment. The French, for example, overthrew the monarchy, slaughtered much of the clergy and destroyed much of the churches, such was their rage at their religious and governmental rulers. They didn't change because all of a sudden they started paying heed to Jesus' peaceful sayings. Actions from the irate masses have proven to be the only thing that can make the religious and governmental status quo truly change. They don't do it because they want to.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So what do you think is better,slashing or a disease such as this

How about you treat the person with the disease instead of causing them more pain? What's wrong with you?!

 

[FearGod]

How about you treat the person with the disease instead of causing them more pain? What's wrong with you?!

Of course i feel pain to see such diseases spreading mostly by sex, but it is human fault and slashing can be Deterrent from this awful things to happen.

 

[kashmir]

Christianity was forced to change by revolutionary movements sparked by the Enlightenment. The French, for example, overthrew the monarchy, slaughtered much of the clergy and destroyed much of the churches, such was their rage at their religious and governmental rulers. They didn't change because all of a sudden they started paying heed to Jesus' peaceful sayings. Actions from the irate masses have proven to be the only thing that can make the religious and governmental status quo truly change. They don't do it because they want to.

Then why is islam still going by barbaric laws?

You still don't get the point, Jesus was against all the ways of man when he came, he clearly showed this and said it as well.
The fact that people didn't listen, doesn't change that he said it.
Even today, things that are perfectly legal, that go against Jesus, are not done by many Christians.
You can not say that about muhammad, because he did not address the barbaric laws, but Jesus surely did, didn't he?

About that picture shown.
So stoning the woman to death, for marrying someone that daddy didn't approve of is even relevant to this?
Talk about totally goal posting

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Of course i feel pain to see such diseases spreading mostly by sex, but it is human fault and slashing can be Deterrent from this awful things to happen.

So you cause an extreme amount of pain in order to prevent something that may or not happen in the first place? Why is it any of your concern what people do with each other? STDs are a health problem. You can't whip them away. This is sick thinking.

Also, do you mean "lashing" or do you really mean "slashing"?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Then why is islam still going by barbaric laws?

You still don't get the point, Jesus was against all the ways of man when he came, he clearly showed this and said it as well.
The fact that people didn't listen, doesn't change that he said it.
Even today, things that are perfectly legal, that go against Jesus, are not done by many Christians.
You can not say that about muhammad, because he did not address the barbaric laws, but Jesus surely did, didn't he?

I don't care about Jesus. The point is that Christian societies changed for the better through uprisings that created secular republics and put a leash and muzzle on the religious status quo. They forcibly removed power from them, especially in Europe. Islamic countries have not had such revolutionary upheavals and so they are still theocratic hellholes.

 

[kashmir]

Also, if Christians what did were barbaric and changed, why would islam not change too?
Simply, because, as I said, muhammad never told them they had to, no one is really.
and surely, it seems the only ones who are against barbaric laws are ones who leave islam.
Even the very father who did this, believes he is moral in Gods eyes, or there would be talk of such, nothing suggest anything to show
otherwise has ever been said.

Odd how one of the most religious of people, find it completely moral to stone a pregnant woman to death, simply because daddy didn't approve of him.
That doesn't even follow logic what so ever to simply blame culture on it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't care about Jesus. The point is that Christian societies changed for the better through uprisings that created secular republics and put a leash and muzzle on the religious status quo. They forcibly removed power from them, especially in Europe. Islamic countries have not had such revolutionary upheavals and so they are still theocratic hellholes.

In Americastan's more theocratic days of manifest destiny, it had arguably more institutionalized
violence. Wiping out those heathens Indians on our land resulted in a whole lotta death. So Xianity
is another religion whose scripture can be bent to thuggish agendas.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

In Americastan's more theocratic days of manifest destiny, it had arguably more institutionalized
violence. Wiping out those heathens Indians on our land resulted in a whole lotta death. So Xianity
is another religion whose scripture can be bent to thuggish agendas.

I don't think that the Abrahamic religions are peaceful in the first place. I'm well aware of the nasty and evil history of Christianity.

 

[kashmir]

I don't care about Jesus. The point is that Christian societies changed for the better through uprisings that created secular republics and put a leash and muzzle on the religious status quo. They forcibly removed power from them, especially in Europe. Islamic countries have not had such revolutionary upheavals and so they are still theocratic hellholes.

Cant you ever see someone elses perspective at all?
"I dont care about Jesus"

Jesus was against barbaric laws, nothing what so ever says muhammad was.
That matters a whole lot. :yes:

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Cant you ever see someone elses perspective at all?
"I dont care about Jesus"

Jesus was against barbaric laws, nothing what so ever says muhammad was.
That matters a whole lot. :yes:

I already told you the reasons why the Christian West changed from being a bunch of warring corrupted monarchies in bed with the Church to being secular democratic republics.

 

[kashmir]

I don't think that the Abrahamic religions are peaceful in the first place. I'm well aware of the nasty and evil history of Christianity.

This situation has nothing to do with Christians, odd how you are not holding muslim responsible for this OP, but holding Jesus responsible even though he was clearly against it?
Kind of circular isnt it?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This situation has nothing to do with Christians, odd how you are not holding muslim responsible for this OP, but holding Jesus responsible even though he was clearly against it?
Kind of circular isnt it?

What in the hell are you talking about? You are the one who brought up Christianity. I didn't say that Christianity had anything to do with this. Stop making things up.

 

[FearGod]

Then why is islam still going by barbaric laws?

You still don't get the point, Jesus was against all the ways of man when he came, he clearly showed this and said it as well.
The fact that people didn't listen, doesn't change that he said it.
Even today, things that are perfectly legal, that go against Jesus, are not done by many Christians.
You can not say that about muhammad, because he did not address the barbaric laws, but Jesus surely did, didn't he?

About that picture shown.
So stoning the woman to death, for marrying someone that daddy didn't approve of is even relevant to this?
Talk about totally goal posting

Really, what about burying the female child alive in those barbaric societies ,didn't Mohammed terminate it.

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Emotional This Made Our Prophet Cry! - YouTube

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes you are right, but what did Jesus teach, what did muhammad teach?
It may not matter to you because you dont follow them, but millions of people do follow them so you are ignoring reality because you just want to be right all the time, every time we bump heads you do it.
Your point is the only one relevant.
Consider yourself ignored.
Long time coming.

Enjoy your raging random breakdown. Maybe you should stay off forums if you can't discuss things like a civil human being.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think that the Abrahamic religions are peaceful in the first place. I'm well aware of the nasty and evil history of Christianity.

I'm addressing the fact that any of these religions will have adherents who are either peaceful or
evil depending upon the culture. Of course, some people expect that a religion of peace should
always cure violent cultures which adopt the religion. Clearly, that is an unrealistic expectation.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm addressing the fact that any of these religions will have adherents who are either peaceful or
evil depending upon the culture. Of course, some people expect that a religion of peace should
always cure violent cultures which adopt the religion. Clearly, that is an unrealistic expectation.

The only religion that seems to earn the title of "religion of peace" is Jainism. I've never heard of any of their teachings seeming to promote any sort of violence and I've never heard of any Jains committing acts of violence, especially with the approval of their religion. None of the Abrahamic religions are peaceful, even at the root, so I really wish people would stop applying that erroneous label to them.

 

[Revoltingest]

The only religion that seems to earn the title of "religion of peace" is Jainism. I've never heard of any of their teachings seeming to promote any sort of violence and I've never heard of any Jains committing acts of violence, especially with the approval of their religion. None of the Abrahamic religions are peaceful, even at the root, so I really wish people would stop applying that erroneous label to them.

If it ever became a major religion (you know....several hundred million followers), & if
it spanned a great number of cultures, then it could perhaps see violent interpretations.

 

[kashmir]

I'm addressing the fact that any of these religions will have adherents who are either peaceful or
evil depending upon the culture. Of course, some people expect that a religion of peace should
always cure violent cultures which adopt the religion. Clearly, that is an unrealistic expectation.

How is that unrealistic?
If one prays to a God of peace and forgiveness, then goes out and stones their daughter to death over such a trivial thing, clearly they believe their God approves, and logic follows their religion is not one of peace to begin with.

They cant have it both ways, consider theirselves to be of a peaceful religion and then murder their own child over a word called honor.
The whole country revolves around these barbaric laws.
The whole country is highly religious.

How come when priests molest boys, we can recognize that they are going against their religious beliefs, but not when it comes to muslims?
We label it culture.
Doesn't even make sense.
Holy books say "thou shall not kill"
they do not say "thou shall not kill unless its for honor and culture"

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If it ever became a major religion (you know....several hundred million followers), & if
it spanned a great number of cultures, then it could perhaps see violent interpretations.

Well, then it wouldn't be Jainism anymore since complete non-violence is one of the major tenets of the religion. Judaism, Islam and Christianity have all never held non-violence to be an absolutely essential doctrine that is non-negotiable. Certain sects of those religions may practice non-violence, but those would be on the fringe.