4000 year old Mesopotamian Ark story

[Ingledsva]

Another artifact showing the Biblical Ark story comes from Mesopotamia.


Including animals two by two.


Noah



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[Sunstone]

I believe there have been sources for the Mesopotamian origin of the Flood Myth for some time -- I used to have a book first published in the 1930s that contained a version of it.

 

[averageJOE]

Anyone planning on watching the "Noah" movie? Noah | Trailer & Official Movie Site

 

[Pegg]

at least now we wont have to hear, "the gilgamesh epic is older then the bible and thats where the jews got their story of a flood from"

now we'll hear "the Mesopotamia tablet, which is older then Gilgamesh epic, which is older then bible, and thats where the jews got their story of a flood from"

Yay for archaeology

 

[Ingledsva]

at least now we wont have to hear, "the gilgamesh epic is older then the bible and thats where the jews got their story of a flood from"

now we'll hear "the Mesopotamia tablet, which is older then Gilgamesh epic, which is older then bible, and thats where the jews got their story of a flood from"

Yay for archaeology

It is "one" of the places where the Gilgamesh Ark story came from.



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[Ingledsva]

I believe there have been sources for the Mesopotamian origin of the Flood Myth for some time -- I used to have a book first published in the 1930s that contained a version of it.

Yes, this is just older then most of these we know about.


There are also older stories for the Ark being round. They talked about these in some of my archaeology classes. However, I don't remember the sources used.


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[Jayhawker Soule]

Another artifact showing the Biblical Ark story comes from Mesopotamia.

Therefore?

 

[Caladan]

Another artifact showing the Biblical Ark story comes from Mesopotamia.


Including animals two by two.


Noah



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Wouldn't it be more useful and constructive to discuss a renovation to chronology and the development of Near Eastern religion instead of contrasting it with the Bible?
That Mesopotamian traditions are found in the Hebrew Bible is not a novelty, nor does it diminishes to potency of Biblical literature, including literature which echoes more primal traditions which circulated in the region.

 

[Ingledsva]

Therefore?

Just additional information, with a nice picture of the cuneiform script.


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[Ingledsva]

Another artifact showing the Biblical Ark story comes from Mesopotamia.


Including animals two by two.


Noah

Wouldn't it be more useful and constructive to discuss a renovation to chronology and the development of Near Eastern religion instead of contrasting it with the Bible?
That Mesopotamian traditions are found in the Hebrew Bible is not a novelty, nor does it diminishes to potency of Biblical literature, including literature which echoes more primal traditions which circulated in the region.

The article associates it. Note their "Noah" link.


Please feel free to start "a renovation to chronology and the development of Near Eastern religion," discussion.



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[Kilgore Trout]

Well, back when I was a kid in Sunday School, we were taught that the stories in the bible really happened as written in the Bible, so unless there's somebody out there who is more knowledgable than my Sunday School teacher was (fat chance), I'll stick with the biblical literalism.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

It wouldn't surprise me if this story has been legendary before Judaism's existence and simply was shared through a variety of cultures.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Anyone planning on watching the "Noah" movie? Noah | Trailer & Official Movie Site

Honestly can't say I have ever watched a movie by that director, but it does look neat.

 

[Ingledsva]

Honestly can't say I have ever watched a movie by that director, but it does look neat.

Yes it does, but as usual, how do all the critters fit in that? And how did the ones on other continents get there? What did the ones not from the desert eat while trekking towards the Ark?


Inquiring minds want to know?



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[Jayhawker Soule]

Therefore?

Just additional information, with a nice picture of the cuneiform script.

Yet you purposefully placed this in the General Religious Debates Forum. Still, the fact remains …

That Mesopotamian traditions are found in the Hebrew Bible is not a novelty, nor does it diminishes to potency of Biblical literature, including literature which echoes more primal traditions which circulated in the region.

… and there might be value in understanding how and why the story was reframed.

 

[Ingledsva]

This quote is from an interesting related Wiki article. It talks about reeds and the ark being round. (highlighting mine)


"... The Hebrew word for the ark is teba, which occurs only twice in the Bible, here and in the Book of Exodus, where it is used for the basket in which the infant Moses is placed by his mother. (The word for the ark of the covenant is quite different in Hebrew). In both cases, therefore, teba has a connection with salvation from waters. It is made of "gopher" wood, a word which does not appear elsewhere in the entire Bible, and is divided into qinnim, a word which always refers to birds' nests elsewhere, leading some scholars to amend this to qanim, reeds, the material used for the boat of Atrahasis, the Babylonian flood-hero.


Forgot the link - LOL - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark



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[outhouse]

Just additional information, with a nice picture of the cuneiform script.


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And thank you for posting it.

 

[outhouse]

]… and there might be value in understanding how and why the story was reframed.

Exactly.


Sucks there was not enough material in the article other then age to determine who, what, when and where.


Im curious if it is Ziusudra, as that is where I place the origin. That and the attested Euphrates flood of 2900BC.

 

[outhouse]

at least now we wont have to hear, "the gilgamesh epic is older then the bible and thats where the jews got their story of a flood from"

now we'll hear "the Mesopotamia tablet, which is older then Gilgamesh epic, which is older then bible, and thats where the jews got their story of a flood from"

Yay for archaeology

Gilgamesh is older then the bible, and it would ne one of many flood legends that possibly influenced the biblical account.

Genesis young

Gilgamesh middle aged

Atra-hasis is old

Ziusudra the oldest.

 

[Ingledsva]

Exactly.


Sucks there was not enough material in the article other then age to determine who, what, when and where.


Im curious if it is Ziusudra, as that is where I place the origin. That and the attested Euphrates flood of 2900BC.

Here is an article with more information. The how to build an Ark info is very interesting.


Mosaic Magazine - How to Build an Ark