7 States And Counting

[FerventGodSeeker]

Of course you do, you're straight and the law favors you.

That statement is wrong in more ways than I think you're aware.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

That's what you're saying gay people have the right to do: Enter a loveless, sexless marriage.

No, I'm not.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Wow, you completely missed my point. My point was that heterosexuals primary attraction is the opposite sex, so therefore, they are most likely going to be able to marry the one they fall in romantic love with. Homosexuals primary attraction is to the same sex, therefore, they are not likely to be able to marry the one they fall in romantic love with.

"Not likely to be able" does not equal "not able."

 

[Bishka]

No, I'm not.

Then answer it straight...is that what gays rights are? To enter a loveless, sexless union? Yes or no will work just fine, quit beating around the bush.

 

[Bishka]

That statement is wrong in more ways than I think you're aware.

How about you point them out and show us, why don't you? :areyoucra

 

[Jaymes]

No, I'm not.

Lemme get this straight (no pun intended): You say gay people have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Yet you expect them to be in love with or attracted to them if they're gay?

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Then answer it straight...is that what gays rights are? To enter a loveless, sexless union? Yes or no will work just fine, quit beating around the bush.

No, that's not what gays rights are. "Straight" enough answer for you? (pun intended)

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Lemme get this straight (no pun intended): You say gay people have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Yet you expect them to be in love with or attracted to them if they're gay?

Yes, I would expect you to be in love with the person you plan to marry.

 

[Green Gaia]

That statement is wrong in more ways than I think you're aware.

Whatever dude. So tell me, why do you think it's OK for the government to punish gay people? I get that your religion hates homosexuals, whatever, I'm not of your religion so I should not be held to it's doctrine. But why should every American have to live by what your religion says is a marriage?

 

[Jaymes]

Yes, I would expect you to be in love with the person you plan to marry.

Then can you tell me how your position on gay marriage makes sense? :sarcastic Gay men don't fall in love and want to have sex with women. Same with lesbian women, only with women instead of men.

So you don't want people to marry someone they don't love, but insist we have the same right as straight people... who you also presumably expect to enter a marriage with someone they love?

Are you seeing the logical disconnect or are my words just zipping by?

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Whatever dude. So tell me, why do you think it's OK for the government to punish gay people?

I don't, unless they've done something wrong.

I get that your religion hates homosexuals

Then you don't "get" much about my religion at all.

, whatever, I'm not of your religion so I should not be held to it's doctrine. But why should every American have to live by what your religion says is a marriage?

Every American should have to live by what the law says is a marriage...the American people just voted in 7 states, that a legal marriage is between a man and a woman...don't try to bring religion into this discussion when we're talking about the results of a secular election.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Then can you tell me how your position on gay marriage makes sense? :sarcastic Gay men don't fall in love and want to have sex with women. Same with lesbian women, only with women instead of men.

That statement is demonstrably false: Exhibit A - Me.

 

[standing_alone]

"Not likely to be able" does not equal "not able."

Yes and no. I used those words only because I understand sexual orientation isn't a exclusively gay/exclusively straight binary. Yes, there is a possibility that a homosexual or heterosexual would fall in love with someone of the sex opposite of their particular orientation - however, I'm confident saying that in the majority of cases that a homosexual will fall in love with a member of the same sex and a heterosexual will fall in love with a member of the opposite sex. So heterosexuals are still recieving preferential treatment as they get to marry the sex they are romantically attracted to.

 

[Bastet]

Yes, I would expect you to be in love with the person you plan to marry.

Well, that certainly cleared it up.

As it happens, I'm totally in love with the person I plan to marry. It may take a while for it to actually be legal, but it will happen, I have no doubt whatsoever of that.

By all means, hang on to your happiness over these amendments passing, because it won't last forever.

 

[Bastet]

I don't, unless they've done something wrong.
Then you don't "get" much about my religion at all.
Every American should have to live by what the law says is a marriage...the American people just voted in 7 states, that a legal marriage is between a man and a woman...don't try to bring religion into this discussion when we're talking about the results of a secular election.

This was not a secular election. You're a fool if you think otherwise.

 

[Sunstone]

Wow, you completely missed my point. My point was that heterosexuals primary attraction is the opposite sex, so therefore, they are most likely going to be able to marry the one they fall in romantic love with. Homosexuals primary attraction is to the same sex, therefore, they are not likely to be able to marry the one they fall in romantic love with.

Not to worry, Darling Standing Alone! When you come to visit me, we'll go see James Dobson out at Focus, and he'll "restore" you to heterosexuality with his manly handshake and piercingly masculine eyes. Afterwards, the three of us will go have a beer and laugh at your old homosexual days together!

 

[Green Gaia]

I don't, unless they've done something wrong.

Then explain why you support the government punishing gay couples by not allowing them a civil marriage?

Every American should have to live by what the law says is a marriage...the American people just voted in 7 states, that a legal marriage is between a man and a woman...don't try to bring religion into this discussion when we're talking about the results of a secular election.

It shouldn't have been voted on at all!!! The rights of a minority should not be subject the whims of the tyrannical majority. The majority in this country are Christian and they have their leaders telling them to vote for this hateful amendment because if they don't, "God will be displeased with you" - (that's a quote from the Catholic bishops in VA). Don't tell me this has nothing to with religion! It has everything to do with religion and one religion's hatred and fear of GBLT people! If allowed to go through the proper process, the court system, same gender marriage would be legal in this country.

 

[Green Gaia]

That statement is demonstrably false: Exhibit A - Me.

Oh, so you're "cured" and you think everyone else should be too. You know what, if you're happy, I'm happy for you. But just you did it or wanted to doesn't mean everyone should or can.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Then explain why you support the government punishing gay couples by not allowing them a civil marriage?

Not allowing something does not equate to punishment.

It shouldn't have been voted on at all!!! The rights of a minority should not be subject the whims of the tyrannical majority. The majority in this country are Christian and they have their leaders telling them to vote for this hateful amendment because if they don't, "God will be displeased with you" - (that's a quote from the Catholic bishops in VA). Don't tell me this has nothing to with religion! It has everything to do with religion and one religion's hatred and fear of GBLT people! If allowed to go through the proper process, the court system, same gender marriage would be legal in this country.

If we're not going to pretend that this has nothing to do with my religion, then we're not going to pretend that it has nothing to do with your religion (whose agenda is almost purely political), either. Your religion puts just as much pressure on people as mine does, and you know it.

 

[standing_alone]

Not to worry, Darling Standing Alone! When you come to visit me, we'll go see James Dobson out at Focus, and he'll "restore" you to heterosexuality with his manly handshake and piercingly masculine eyes. Afterwards, the three of us will go have a beer and laugh at your old homosexual days together!

Oh, Uncle Phil! I cannot begin to express my gratitude! :hug:

But could we drink the beer before I'm cured? Somehow I think after I'm cured I'll find drinking beer to not be the most ladylike.... Wait a second! If this cure would result in me drinking wine coolers or some other junk over beer, I don't want it!