7 States And Counting

[FerventGodSeeker]

Oh, so you're "cured" and you think everyone else should be too

I'm hardly "cured"; if you understood anything about my life (or rather, if you even WANTED to understand, in your hatred of everyone and everything that doesn't agree with your political views), you wouldn't pretend like everything was so magically easy for me.

You know what, if you're happy, I'm happy for you. But just you did it or wanted to doesn't mean everyone should or can.

That's a lovely opinion.

 

[lilithu]

"Traditional" marriage is a marriage between a man and a woman...banning gay marriage upholds that definition...

So you care more about the definition of marriage than you do the actual state of marriage?

Preventing same-sex couples from marrying will not reduce the divorce rate amongst hetero couples. It will not convince hetero couples who are living out of wedlock to get married. It really accomplishes nothing other than prevent some couples who love each other from getting married.

 

[Green Gaia]

Not allowing something does not equate to punishment.

In this case, it's one in the same.

If we're not going to pretend that this has nothing to do with my religion, then we're not going to pretend that it has nothing to do with your religion (whose agenda is almost purely political), either. Your religion puts just as much pressure on people as mine does, and you know it.

Really? How?

Our "agenda" is not political, humanist more than spiritual perhaps, but we have no desire for political power like oh say... some Christians do.

 

[Sunstone]

Wait a second! If this cure would result in me drinking wine coolers or some other junk over beer, I don't want it!

Wine coolers???? Good Grief!!! Your right my dear Rainbow Niece: There are far worse fates than remaining a lesbian. Maybe we shouldn't act in haste here. I'd hate to loose a good beer buddy to wine coolers!

 

[Green Gaia]

I'm hardly "cured"; if you understood anything about my life (or rather, if you even WANTED to understand, in your hatred of everyone and everything that doesn't agree with your political views), you wouldn't pretend like everything was so magically easy for me.

This has nothing to with politics. We're talking about people's lives here!!

And I don't hate you or anyone else, but I hate what this amendments and anti-gay laws are doing to people. I hate injustice. I hate discrimination.

Earlier you were making it sound so easy; just marry someone of the opposite sex! How am I supposed to know your story if you don't tell it?

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

In this case, it's one in the same.

No, it isn't.

Really? How?

Our "agenda" is not political, humanist more than spiritual perhaps, but we have no desire for political power like oh say... some Christians do.

Are there any UUs who support a ban on gay marriage?

 

[lilithu]

So you care more about the definition of marriage than you do the actual state of marriage?

Preventing same-sex couples from marrying will not reduce the divorce rate amongst hetero couples. It will not convince hetero couples who are living out of wedlock to get married. It really accomplishes nothing other than prevent some couples who love each other from getting married.

If all you care about is the definition then I think the solution is simple. Remove "marriage" from the civil arena altogether, for straights as well as gays. In the civil arena everyone gets civil unions, with all the rights and privileges that come with that. Then, within your own religion, you guys can define "marriage" however you want. I certainly have no interest in forcing a different definition on you. The UUs of course will recognize marriage between loving couples of any gender combination.

 

[standing_alone]

Wine coolers???? Good Grief!!! Your right my dear Rainbow Niece: There are far worse fates than remaining a lesbian. Maybe we shouldn't act in haste here. I'd hate to loose a good beer buddy to wine coolers!

Yes, let's not act in haste here! To think I could be made to drink wine coolers... *shudders*

Maybe sometimes it's better to not go against our true nature.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

This has nothing to with politics. We're talking about people's lives here!!

And I don't hate you or anyone else, but I hate what this amendments and anti-gay laws are doing to people. I hate injustice. I hate discrimination.

Earlier you were making it sound so easy; just marry someone of the opposite sex! How am I supposed to know your story if you don't tell it?

We talk about huge world issues, philosophical questions, religious philosophies, conversions, political movements, personal life events, etc etc etc, ALL the time on RF, in often rather succinct and un-emotional terms...I thought you would pick up on the fact that I don't believe marriage is as simple as going to Vegas and getting drunk , in spite of the fact that I was not writing an in-depth essay on the issue. My apologies for assuming.

 

[Green Gaia]

Are there any UUs who support a ban on gay marriage?

I know there are. We're not told what to think and as such our opinions run the gamut.

 

[lilithu]

We can both marry one unrelated person of the opposite sex. She can't marry a woman just like I can't marry a man. Yep, sounds equal.

You can marry the person whom you love. She can't. Not equal.

 

[Sunstone]

Maybe sometimes it's better to not go against our true nature.

Yeah. Such as when we marry, it might not be such a good idea to go against our true nature.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

I know there are.

Can you name one? I'd love to meet them.

 

[Green Gaia]

I thought you would pick up on the fact that I don't believe marriage is as simple as going to Vegas and getting drunk

Yet straight people can do that and their marriage is legal. Same gender couples who have been in love and committed for years, can't get a simple legal document at the courthouse. That's not fair.

 

[Green Gaia]

Can you name one? I'd love to meet them.

Yes, I can. But since you are in CA and they are in VA, it seems kinda pointless. What are you trying to prove?

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Yet straight people can do that and their marriage is legal. Same gender couples who have been in love and committed for years, can't get a simple legal document at the courthouse. That's not fair.

You're right. I don't believe straight people should be allowed to do that.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Yes, I can. But since you are in CA and they are in VA, it seems kinda pointless. What are you trying to prove?

Can you name one that's prominent enough to be listed on the Internet? I'd love to look him or her up, see what they have to say on the issue...all I've EVER heard from UUs is liberalism preached.

 

[Green Gaia]

You're right. I don't believe straight people should be allowed to do that.

But they are, the government allows that at the same time treating the same gender couple who has been committed for years like they are worthless. How is that fair?

 

[Bastet]

No, it isn't.

As someone who is actually affected by not being able to legally marry the person they love - and in fact is stuck in a different country on the other side of the world because, unlike straight people who can get their mail-order brides into the US no questions asked, my loving partner is unable to sponsor me for immigration - yes, it is.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

But they are, the government allows that at the same time treating the same gender couple who has been committed for years like they are worthless. How is that fair?

It isn't...straight people shouldn't be allowed to abuse marriage like that.