7 States And Counting

[FerventGodSeeker]

So? We all have freedom of conscience and freedom of belied, no one tells what to believe or think. So most UUs have come to the same conclusion that same gender couples deserve to be treated fairly and equally under the law. There is a strong sense of social justice among UUs.

Maybe you didn't see what I posted earlier (it was an edit, you probably didn't catch it)...from the UUA:

"THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the delegates of the 1992 General Assembly of the Unitarian Universalist Association are outraged at the hate campaigns going on in these states and at the possibility of legalization of discrimination based on sexual orientation if these constitutional amendments and ordinances pass;
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the 1992 General Assembly of the Unitarian Universalist Association strongly urges all Unitarian Universalist Congregations to inform their members of the ballot initiatives in Colorado, Oregon, and other jurisdictions this November; and BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that the 1992 General Assembly of the Unitarian Universalist Association urges all Unitarian Universalists to support EPOColorado and the Campaign for a Hate-Free Oregon with financial contributions and by writing letters to friends and relatives living in those states, encourAgriculture them to vote against the amendments. "

But of course, "no one tells us what to believe or think"

 

[Bastet]

A, please give me the post numbers and highlight the specific text.

*points up* I'm still waiting... You may not agree with my wording, but my point still stands. Nowhere in this thread have you stated directly how these amendments negatively affected you specifically. I'm afraid until you do, I'll be taking anything you say with a whole bucket-load of salt, not to mention a fair whack of disregard.

 

[lilithu]

Pretty sure my point that you guys are a one-sided politically liberal religion was just established...

If you really think that age is an indicator of legitimacy then I suggest you convert to either Judaism or Hinduism.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

I call it like I see it. And don't blame the UUs for my lack of manners. I've never claimed to be one, or to be any specific religion, for that matter.
OOPS! I thought you were Lilithu! My apologies!

I'm not going to argue about this with you. It's obviously pointless. And stop using my purple, dammit! :149:[/quote] Sorry! I'm too lazy to change the font when I'm repsonding to others, lol...there's too many to go through!

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

*points up* I'm still waiting... You may not agree with my wording, but my point still stands. Nowhere in this thread have you stated directly how these amendments negatively affected you specifically. I'm afraid until you do, I'll be taking anything you say with a whole bucket-load of salt, not to mention a fair whack of disregard.

I'm not going to divulge my whole past and personal life out to you on this thread. Sorry, I'm just not prepared to do that, this is not a small trivial issue to me.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

If you really think that age is an indicator of legitimacy then I suggest you convert to either Judaism or Hinduism.

All I can say to this is...

 

[lilithu]

Maybe you didn't see what I posted earlier (it was an edit, you probably didn't catch it)...from the UUA:

"THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the delegates of the 1992 General Assembly of the Unitarian Universalist Association are outraged at the hate campaigns going on in these states and at the possibility of legalization of discrimination based on sexual orientation if these constitutional amendments and ordinances pass;
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the 1992 General Assembly of the Unitarian Universalist Association strongly urges all Unitarian Universalist Congregations to inform their members of the ballot initiatives in Colorado, Oregon, and other jurisdictions this November; and BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that the 1992 General Assembly of the Unitarian Universalist Association urges all Unitarian Universalists to support EPOColorado and the Campaign for a Hate-Free Oregon with financial contributions and by writing letters to friends and relatives living in those states, encourAgriculture them to vote against the amendments. "

But of course, "no one tells us what to believe or think"

Do you understand that the delegates are us??! It's a democratic process. We vote on what our statements say. Plus for any UU who disagrees with the majority our fifth principle upholds their freedom to disagree.

 

[Sunstone]

I'm not going to argue about this with you. It's obviously pointless. And stop using my purple, dammit! :149:

Sorry! I'm too lazy to change the font when I'm repsonding to others, lol...there's too many to go through![/quote]

Just click on the "Remove Text Formatting" Button in the upper left of the Reply to Thread box. It will restore you to the default font.

 

[lilithu]

Pretty sure that third parties do that in disputes all the time..it's not a foreign concept

1) third parties only have a legitimate say when they are invited in by both sides. 2) You are not a third party.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Do you understand that the delegates are us??! It's a democratic process. We vote on what our statements say. Plus for any UU who disagrees with the majority our fifth principle upholds their freedom to disagree.

Does that change the fact that it is clear that UUs are "strongly urged" by the leadership to support gay marriage? Catholics are free to disagree with the majority, too, in a lot of cases, so I guess that puts us back at square one where we are all religiously motivated to hold certain political views, aren't we, and that both opposition to and support for gay marriage are religiously motivated?

 

[Sunstone]

Does anyone think these marriage amendments will last? If so, how long?

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

1) third parties only have a legitimate say when they are invited in by both sides. 2) You are not a third party.

Voters are invited in by all sides in this country, and are you seriously telling me that I can't vote on things that don't directly affect me?? I guess male virgins can't vote on abortion laws, either?

 

[lilithu]

All I can say to this is...

Sorry, I thought you were questioning the legitimacy of UU as a religion.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Sorry, I thought you were questioning the legitimacy of UU as a religion.

No, just saying that UUs are just as politically one-sided on some issues as Catholics are.

 

[Tigress]

I guess I'm simply left wondering what isn't religious about this issue. Yes, there are arguments against same-sex marriage that don't involve religion, but because Canada, Belgium, Spain, and the Netherlands all have legalized same-sex marriage, and are still standing strong, I have doubts as to their authenticity (though to be fair, it hasn't been all that long).

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

I guess I'm simply left wondering what isn't religious about this issue. Yes, there are arguments against same-sex marriage that don't involve religion, but because Canada, Belgium, Spain, and the Netherlands all have legalized same-sex marriage, and are still standing strong, I have doubts as to their authenticity (though to be fair, it hasn't been all that long).

I feel the same way, except that because 7 states just voted against it, I have doubts as to arguments for gay marriage (though, to also be fair, it also hasn't been all that long.)

 

[Sunstone]

So which beer goes best with a conversation like this one? I'm thinking Fat Tire. But some might say Budweiser? Opinions?

 

[lilithu]

Voters are invited in by all sides in this country, and are you seriously telling me that I can't vote on things that don't directly affect me??

The way you worship does not directly affect me. Should I be allowed to vote on what you can and cannot do? No, I shouldn't, and I am not, because our Constitution recognizes your right to worship as your conscience dictates and it's none of my business. So then WHY should it be any of your business who someone else loves and marries?

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

The way you worship does not directly affect me. Should I be allowed to vote on what you can and cannot do? No, I shouldn't, and I am not, because our Constitution recognizes your right to worship as your conscience dictates and it's none of my business. So then WHY should it be any of your business who someone else loves and marries?

Because marriage is a legal institution, and worship isn't...I thought you liberals adored separaton of Church and State?

 

[lilithu]

No, just saying that UUs are just as politically one-sided on some issues as Catholics are.

That I wouldn't disagree with. But as I said our political views come directly from our religious beliefs, as yours do from yours.