A Bunch of Reasons Why I Question Noah's Flood Story:

[robocop (actually)]

You don't have to deal with all of the posts. The problem is that you have not been able to refute any of them.

I've answered all of them.

 

[robocop (actually)]

You don't have to deal with all of the posts. The problem is that you have not been able to refute any of them.

The real issue is about utility. Science has great utility, and so does religion motivating charitable giving. My church gives lots of humanitarian aid. One of our prophets once said, "If a church can't help you in this life, then it probably can't do much for you in the life to come."

 

[Subduction Zone]

I've answered all of them.

Wrong answers do not qualify as "answers".

 

[Subduction Zone]

The real issue is about utility. Science has great utility, and so does religion motivating charitable giving. My church gives lots of humanitarian aid. One of our prophets once said, "If a church can't help you in this life, then it probably can't do much for you in the life to come."

Both science and religion have their areas where they apply. Ironically it is almost always the ones accusing others of "scientism" that are trying to apply their problem solving method to an area where it is not qualified. The sciences are not used for moral questions. Religion should not be used for scientific questions.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Wrong answers do not qualify as "answers".

We both disagree with each other. You just claim authority.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Both science and religion have their areas where they apply. Ironically it is almost always the ones accusing others of "scientism" that are trying to apply their problem solving method to an area where it is not qualified. The sciences are not used for moral questions. Religion should not be used for scientific questions.

Agreed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We both disagree with each other. You just claim authority.

I claim and show authority in specific areas. I do not make your errors.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I claim and show authority in specific areas. I do not make your errors.

You have not shown me authority that I make errors.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have not shown me authority that I make errors.

Actually we have. You may not have understood the authority.

When it comes to certain topics we go to geologists, not to religious books. When it comes to certain topics we go to biologists, not religious books.

You are in effect making a false idol of the Bible.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Actually we have. You may not have understood the authority.

When it comes to certain topics we go to geologists, not to religious books. When it comes to certain topics we go to biologists, not religious books.

You are in effect making a false idol of the Bible.

Geology does not show a worldwide flood.
I believe in God.
I believe God could have caused this.
God is not a liar.
That doesn't mean God has explained the flood to everyone.
Miracles cease among the unbelieving.
Since there would be many unbelieving, it makes sense that God would have to hide evidence of the flood or make it hard to notice, and with a great event there could be a great concealment.
But God will reveal everything in the apocalypse.
I am not making a false idol out of the Bible... I find it a great book to get close to God... the morals from these stories are impeccable.
If you believe in the Bible, you have to believe what the Bible says about who will believe it. That is something you don't seem to understand.
God does not have to stoop to our standards. We would be much better trying to be like God and seeking ways to appreciate His morals.
We do that by keeping His commandments.
Some things can only be seen on the other side.
I am not making a false idol out of the Bible; I am in fact reverencing the parts of it about who would believe it that you seem to not care about; you can't pick and choose which parts of the Bible to test!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Geology does not show a worldwide flood.
I believe in God.
I believe God could have caused this.
God is not a liar.
That doesn't mean God has explained the flood to everyone.
Miracles cease among the unbelieving.
Since there would be many unbelieving, it makes sense that God would have to hide evidence of the flood or make it hard to notice, and with a great event there could be a great concealment.
But God will reveal everything in the apocalypse.
I am not making a false idol out of the Bible... I find it a great book to get close to God... the morals from these stories are impeccable.
If you believe in the Bible, you have to believe what the Bible says about who will believe it. That is something you don't seem to understand.
God does not have to stoop to our standards. We would be much better trying to be like God and seeking ways to appreciate His morals.
We do that by keeping His commandments.
Some things can only be seen on the other side.
I am not making a false idol out of the Bible; I am in fact reverencing the parts of it about who would believe it that you seem to not care about; you can't pick and choose which parts of the Bible to test!

You should be clearer, you believe in a God that flooded the Earth. But unfortunately the consequences of that belief, even if you do not realize it, is that you believe that God is a liar.

But that is quite the desperate rant there. I know that you do not want to learn how we know that there was no flood. Doing so would make you realize that you cannot have it both ways.

By the way, many of your claims are refuted by other Bible believers that disagree with you.

By the way, hiding evidence is a form of lying. You just claimed that God did lie.

 

[robocop (actually)]

God is not a liar. He has to fulfill all He has said and there's only one way to do that. Please read my post again I have edited it.

The truth of the Bible is discerned by the Holy Ghost. I do not claim to feel it all the time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God is not a liar. He has to fulfill all He has said and there's only one way to do that. Please read my post again I have edited it.

The truth of the Bible is discerned by the Holy Ghost. I do not claim to feel it all the time.

But you are in effect claiming that he is one. That is the problem with a literal interpretation of Genesis. You can't have it both ways. You can deny it but the reason that most Christians do not believe the myths of Genesis is because they do not believe that God is al liar.

 

[robocop (actually)]

You should be clearer, you believe in a God that flooded the Earth. But unfortunately the consequences of that belief, even if you do not realize it, is that you believe that God is a liar.

But that is quite the desperate rant there. I know that you do not want to learn how we know that there was no flood. Doing so would make you realize that you cannot have it both ways.

By the way, many of your claims are refuted by other Bible believers that disagree with you.

By the way, hiding evidence is a form of lying. You just claimed that God did lie.

God allowed Balaam to guess that His donkey was talking. Then He revealed that He was putting words in the donkey's mouth. That is not lying.

God may have allowed us to guess that the flood was not real. The flood would have been a miracle, and there are no miracles among the non-believing so that would seem to be God's only option. That doesn't mean He won't reveal the truth later.

You just don't seem to understand this at all!

 

[robocop (actually)]

If God made us know everything He knew at all times, there would be no test on earth for us.

 

[F1fan]

lol they said that to Jesus I must be doing pretty good.

If you end up nailed to a cross you can claim Winner!

 

[robocop (actually)]

You should be clearer, you believe in a God that flooded the Earth. But unfortunately the consequences of that belief, even if you do not realize it, is that you believe that God is a liar.

But that is quite the desperate rant there. I know that you do not want to learn how we know that there was no flood. Doing so would make you realize that you cannot have it both ways.

By the way, many of your claims are refuted by other Bible believers that disagree with you.

By the way, hiding evidence is a form of lying. You just claimed that God did lie.

By the way, are you familiar with PaRDeS?

P stands for the basic story in the Torah.
R stands for the symbolism.
D stands for how it weaves together.
S stands for looking into the geometry of the letters themselves.

See here before the link expires for what I've accomplished here in S:

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Judaism says that he who does not look at all 4 has no place in the world to come.

But the basic story is what makes it survive. Either because of its morals or facts or both I don't know. I suspect that every part of the Torah is as deep in interpretation as possible, barely conforming to what most people think of the story which is not a very good understanding.

 

[F1fan]

God allowed Balaam to guess that His donkey was talking. Then He revealed that He was putting words in the donkey's mouth. That is not lying.

God may have allowed us to guess that the flood was not real. The flood would have been a miracle, and there are no miracles among the non-believing so that would seem to be God's only option. That doesn't mean He won't reveal the truth later.

You just don't seem to understand this at all!

You're saying God is a deceiver.

How about a God just allowing evidence of events that support a literal interpretation of Genesis?

 

[robocop (actually)]

You're saying God is a deceiver.

How about a God just allowing evidence of events that support a literal interpretation of Genesis?

God is not a deciever. He's just not revealing everything at once.

If everyone knew everything that God knew, we would be God. The essence of science is trying to be like God by definition, whether we use the science for good or bad is like whether we try to be like God for good or bad.

But God mentions in Genesis that we weren't allowed to partake of the fruit of the tree of life.

So the Bible says God blocks us from knowing everything God knows. Are you going to argue with it?

Not so much that we can't know everything God knows as much as we can't be everything that God can be, but if we can't be everything that God can be we can't know everything that God knows.

So if the Torah contains the complete knowledge of God, the only way for God to block that knowledge is that when we sin we disconnect ourselves from that knowledge, and considering that we'd be God otherwise that's perfectly alright.

 

[F1fan]

If God made us know everything He knew at all times, there would be no test on earth for us.

So the test is: here's an ancient book that has a lot of stories that lack evidence. And here is a lot of evidence of an old universe, old earth, and life evolving for billions of years, but God wants people to believe the stories without evidence?